ATD Chat Thread XVIII

[VanIslander]

A run on goalies?

Interesting.

 

[ResilientBeast]

Yep… that does appear the position with the most scarcity.

And then there's the intense jigsaw puzzling for some players

Taylor, do you put him at center, rover or defense?

 

[rmartin65]

And then there's the intense jigsaw puzzling for some players

Taylor, do you put him at center, rover or defense?

Rover in the 7 man line up, for me, at least. Then I guess either for the 5 man, like in the regular ATD.

 

[ResilientBeast]

Rover in the 7 man line up, for me, at least. Then I guess either for the 5 man, like in the regular ATD.

I guess it depends are we playing with PCHA "forward passing" or not lol

 

[rmartin65]

I guess it depends are we playing with PCHA "forward passing" or not lol

haha, yeah, that’s your call as the guy running the show

 

[ResilientBeast]

haha, yeah, that’s your call as the guy running the show

I'll need to do a deeper review of the key differences before committing to anything lol

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

Thats an interesting wrinkle. Like I said, I’m in. This would also be a nice springboard for the HoH project I hope starts up next year.

I may try to get the ball rolling on that project next year. There have been ideas for other projects that (IMO predictably) went nowhere because the people proposing them probably aren't going to admin them.

Pre-consolidation is the only one I would still be interested in administering. BUT, we'd need to figure out a way to do worthwhile research.

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

Glad I actually read this thread, I love the idea of a pre-consolidation draft using PCHA lineup rules

 

[rmartin65]

I may try to get the ball rolling on that project next year. There have been ideas for other projects that (IMO predictably) went nowhere because the people proposing them probably aren't going to admin them.

Pre-consolidation is the only one I would still be interested in administering. BUT, we'd need to figure out a way to do worthwhile research.

It’s a project I’d be will to assist with admin duties; I can’t be the main guy running it, but I can be one of the vote collectors.

 

[ResilientBeast]

I may try to get the ball rolling on that project next year. There have been ideas for other projects that (IMO predictably) went nowhere because the people proposing them probably aren't going to admin them.

Pre-consolidation is the only one I would still be interested in administering. BUT, we'd need to figure out a way to do worthwhile research.

Despite not having mod powers in the HOH I'd be willing to shoulder some of the admin load.

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

It’s a project I’d be will to assist with admin duties; I can’t be the main guy running it, but I can be one of the vote collectors.

Despite not having mod powers in the HOH I'd be willing to shoulder some of the admin load.

Sweet! I always thought those things ran way better with 2 admins. I never understood why QPQ insisted on running the last few by himself.

 

[Dreakmur]

I'm super busy with the start of my hockey season, so I don't think I can commit to running a team. A pre-consolidation draft would be very interesting, so I'd be interested in helping somebody out.

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

Despite not having mod powers in the HOH I'd be willing to shoulder some of the admin load.

I was originally made a Mod of HOH just to help me run the projects. Then it ballooned from there

 

[ResilientBeast]

I was originally made a Mod of HOH just to help me run the projects. Then it ballooned from there

Hahaha that's the only way I'd mod over there

 

[VanIslander]

Nvm

Thanks for the offer BB.

G'day!

 

[BenchBrawl]

Laval selects HHOF defenseman Art Coulter, the Hart trophy finalist the season after his playoff play was considered a key to the Blackhawks Stanley Cup victory. He was traded to New York for great Earl Seibert and Coulter captained the Rags for seasons, including the 1940 Stanley Cup after his fourth 2nd team NHL all-star selection. He led the cup-winning team in playoff penalties, having led the league earlier in his career. He is renowned for his teamwork, physicality, stickhandling and penalty killing.

Just go post it in the main thread, tabness just picked.

Love Coulter, by the way.

 

[Hockey Outsider]

I found this amusing - hockey-reference.com extrapolates production across the entire season for their adjusted stats. So Ovechkin, who scored 2 goals last night, is somehow getting credit for 530 adjusted goals for 2021-22.

As of today (October 14th, 2021), they're showing Ovechkin as having 1,365 adjusted goals (Gordie who?) and, even more amusingly, Max Pacioretty is ahead of Jagr and Gretzky:

 

[Johnny Engine]

I found this amusing - hockey-reference.com extrapolates production across the entire season for their adjusted stats. So Ovechkin, who scored 2 goals last night, is somehow getting credit for 530 adjusted goals for 2021-22.

As of today (October 14th, 2021), they're showing Ovechkin as having 1,365 adjusted goals (Gordie who?) and, even more amusingly, Max Pacioretty is ahead of Jagr and Gretzky:

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You think it's FUNNY that a modern elite athlete like Pacioretty is a better goals scorers than 1920s players like Jagr and Howe? Talk about a bias poster, the numbers don't lie.

 

[VanIslander]

As Mark Twain said: "There are lies, damn lies and statistics."

As an undergraduate, one of the texts we had to read was: "How to lie with statistics".

 

[Elvis P]

pls delete

 

[VanIslander]

Doug Harvey is often considered THE most important part of the Habs dynasty. With Beliveau and Richard in the building, it is high praise.

Several ATDers consider him the #5 all time, after the Big 4.

I consider him the 7th greatest player ever, but that is due to other positions. He is second to only Orr on the blueline. Full stop.

 

[VanIslander]

The ATD tries to rank players based on the value of their full skillset.

The OPPF tries to honor the best of each franchise and show a most balanced great squad!

Both equally awesome!

 

[VanIslander]

A liar?

 

[Johnny Engine]

As Mark Twain said: "There are lies, damn lies and statistics."

As an undergraduate, one of the texts we had to read was: "How to lie with statistics".

This is my second-least-favourite famous quote, because it's almost never used to advance any kind of discussion at all.

I'm personally not great at math as an academic subject. I pick up on concepts quickly enough, but I lack the focus and rigor you'd need to effectively do a job like accounting, or to regularly pull off the kind of broad studies that Hockey Outsider does. But I like to think that a working knowledge of a few simple concepts - sample size, the difference between mean and median, stuff like that - and a willingness to ask questions, you can do yourself a favour when you're trying to diagnose what's "wrong" with information you're presented.

"Damn lies and statistics" does none of that, it's just a way to say you don't want to learn anything new and you're proud of it.

But let's not just assume that Mark Twain was a proudly ignorant man, let's do some history.

In his 1906 autobiography, Twain attempts to tally the average number of words per day he was capable of writing as a younger man, and compares his productivity to his more recent projects. This simple bit of arithmetic shows that he's been slowing down considerably in his old age, but he points out almost immediately that he used to pull all-nighters in his more prolific years, spending many hours trying to pound out the 3,000-word sittings he was able to do. He'd later abandon the practice, favouring shorter daytime writing sessions. He concludes that he works more efficiently in his later years, mentions that "figures often beguile me" and then adds the famous quote, attributing it to Benjamin Disraeli.

What I get from that is:
- The main point of the relevant passage is "work smarter, not harder", which is not related to the validity of statistics as a whole.
- Ironically, Twain demonstrates an ability to use statistical inquiry to learn something - he identifies a variable that he hadn't considered (hours worked), and applies it to the question he's trying to answer.
- Twain seems to have a similar relationship with mathematics to the one I described in myself above - interested but skeptical, with a eye on his own limitations.
- The quotation itself may have come from a politician. It looks like there isn't actually a record of Disraeli saying that. If Disraeli did in fact coin the phrase, it's easy to see how it could be weaponized against his opponents in the same ignorant, dismissive fashion most use it today. But we don't know that, or what its original context is.

 

[BenchBrawl]

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