ATD Chat Thread XVI

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Fantastic Pitt-Wash game tonight. Had a playoff feel and pace to it. Great, great hockey and didn't need 9 goals to get to that level.

 

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Friggin' Avalache top line is just pure brilliance right now. Don't know how long they can sustain their crazy pace (Rantanan and Mac are on course for roughly 130 points with both having 2 more tonight) but it's pretty cool to watch.

 

[Johnny Engine]

Friggin' Avalache top line is just pure brilliance right now. Don't know how long they can sustain their crazy pace (Rantanan and Mac are on course for roughly 130 points with both having 2 more tonight) but it's pretty cool to watch.

It seems like they're really rolling, picking up momentum and crushing everything in their path and absolutely burying the opposition like a...a...someone help here?

 

[Namba 17]

Merry Christmas to all

 

[Hedberg]

Hello everyone! Seeing seventieslord in a Hockey News issue my Dad had inspired me to end my exile and return to the board

 

[seventieslord]

Hello everyone! Seeing seventieslord in a Hockey News issue my Dad had inspired me to end my exile and return to the board

Welcome back!

 

[ResilientBeast]

@ResilientBeast

ATD Chat Thread XV

This post sure hasn't aged well. It reeks just a week later!

We still suck

 

[seventieslord]

We still suck

Yep, but there is room for three teams that suck to make the playoffs in the West.

 

[ResilientBeast]

He's gone finally....but nothing will change. Why the f*** did they let him negotiate the Koskinen extension on the way out? And then all the infrastructure still in place must have signed off on the deal.

This changes nothing we will still be trash and McDavid will be gone by 2022

 

[Johnny Engine]

He's gone finally....but nothing will change. Why the **** did they let him negotiate the Koskinen extension on the way out? And then all the infrastructure still in place must have signed off on the deal.

This changes nothing we will still be trash and McDavid will be gone by 2022

What's fascinating is that you've got one source (Dreger) saying the entire organization wanted their current starter extended for multiple seasons, and another (Spector) saying that Koskinen's agent talked to Chia and Chia only. While both of these things could be factually true, they do seem to contradict each other in spirit.

There's a fascinating book to be written about this down the road - maybe even written by Chiarelli himself.

 

[VanIslander]

What's fascinating to me is how the two Albertan teams have fared this century.

In the last 15 years (since Phaneuf), Calgary has only been bad enough to be in the top half of the draft with Baertschi, Monahan, Bennett and Tkachuk, only the first of which isn't on the Flames roster.

Edmonton, however, has been bad enough to be in the top half of the draft in 11 of those 15 years, including 4 number ones. And most are absent from the roster, and the team hasn't benefited from their last 15 years in terms of franchise success, other than a posterboy and a playoff run flirtation.

 

[BenchBrawl]

Speaking for Montreal, it's nice to finally have a decent pool of prospects.Poehling, Suzuki, Brooks, Romanov and Kotkaniemi, plus a young player like Drouin is a solid base to build the team moving forward.Still wished we had kept Sergachev so he could play with Shea Weber in his older days.I'm not as skeptical about Weber as some others are; I think he can play up to age 40 and be valuable, but he needs a good partner.Same with Price; not worried.

 

[tinyzombies]

Here's how I'm going to lose THIS ATD. (Was gonna post a graph with players on it - not allowed anymore tho, right?)

 

[tinyzombies]

Speaking for Montreal, it's nice to finally have a decent pool of prospects.Poehling, Suzuki, Brooks, Romanov and Kotkaniemi, plus a young player like Drouin is a solid base to build the team moving forward.Still wished we had kept Sergachev so he could play with Shea Weber in his older days.I'm not as skeptical about Weber as some others are; I think he can play up to age 40 and be valuable, but he needs a good partner.Same with Price; not worried.

A half rebuild... we'll see. Suzuki looks lazy to me. Romanov... if he turns into an old Hamrlik, I'll be happy. Brooks is a good skater. Poehling a second line center? Love KK. Drouin scares me, but is old school - puts up points but doesn't like to play defense.

I was hoping for a full rebuild, but Molson Coors won't allow it. Just like the 50m they made on the PK trade, it's all business.

 

[Elvis P]

I joined a 9 team Baseball ATD. I'm seeded 7th. These are my starters and top 3 relievers.

1. Walter Johnson - 147 ERA+
2. L Sandy Koufax - 131 ERA+
3. Tom Seaver - 127 ERA+
4. L Carl Hubbell - 130 ERA+
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Average ERA+ 134

Regular Season 5. L Hal Newhouser - 130 ERA+

Bullpen

#2 RP All Time - Closer Rollie Fingers - 341 SVs
#3 RP All Time - Setup/Closer Trevor Hoffman - 601 SVs
#13 RP All Time - Closer L Sparky Lyle - 238 SVs

 

[VanIslander]

Koufax is the only name I recognize.

 

[tinyzombies]

I joined a 9 team Baseball ATD. I'm seeded 7th. These are my starters and top 3 relievers.

1. Walter Johnson - 147 ERA+
2. L Sandy Koufax - 131 ERA+
3. Tom Seaver - 127 ERA+
4. L Carl Hubbell - 130 ERA+
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Average ERA+ 134

Regular Season 5. L Hal Newhouser - 130 ERA+

Bullpen

#2 RP All Time - Closer Rollie Fingers - 341 SVs
#3 RP All Time - Setup/Closer Trevor Hoffman - 601 SVs
#13 RP All Time - Closer L Sparky Lyle - 238 SVs

That’s a heckuva strikeout staff.

 

[Elvis P]

That’s a heckuva strikeout staff.

Thanks. I thought 3 of the top dozen starters ever pitching 6 of 7 games with 2 of the top 3 and 3 of the top 13 relievers ever pitching the 7th-9th innings would do better. I like pitching, defense, speed, longevity, and durability. They like hitting and peak so it's not a great league for me, but I've always liked the team building part and had little interest in the playoffs.

 

[Elvis P]

"5 Boston Bruins - Doug Harvey
6 Toronto Maple Leafs - Maurice Richard
7 Colorado Rockies - Jean Beliveau
8 Montreal Canadiens - Raymond Bourque
9 Winnipeg Jets - Guy LaFleur
10 Los Angeles Kings - Eddie Shore
11 Pittsburgh Penguins - Patrick Roy
12 New Jersey Devils - Bobby Hull"

It's nice to see a vet from the second ATD returning. That's the first round of the first ATD.

 

[Johnny Engine]

Koufax is the only name I recognize.

Would you recognize Walter Johnson if he called him "Big Train" instead?

 

[tinyzombies]

Thanks. I thought 3 of the top dozen starters ever pitching 6 of 7 games with 2 of the top 3 and 3 of the top 13 relievers ever pitching the 7th-9th innings would do better. I like pitching, defense, speed, longevity, and durability. They like hitting and peak so it's not a great league for me, but I've always liked the team building part and had little interest in the playoffs.

Depends on the offense you are able to put together, but I think you said it's a small draft? If you go with a Bill James approach to your offense, I'd be surprised if your pitching wasn't enough to get it done. There's everything in that staff other than a lefty out of the pen. But Johnson and Koufax have to be the two greatest starters ever, and they can pitch for days even if you adjust. In a 7-game series, forgetaboudit.

 

[Elvis P]

...There's everything in that staff other than a lefty out of the pen. ...

You missed that Lyle is a lefty and my other 2 unlisted relievers are both lefties.

 

[tinyzombies]

You missed that Lyle is a lefty and my other 2 unlisted relievers are both lefties.

Not likely to need a stacked bullpen with that staff anyway.

 

[Elvis P]

Not likely to need a stacked bullpen with that staff anyway.

1.	Babe Ruth+ (22)	206	L
2.	Ted Williams+ (19)	190	L
3.	Barry Bonds (22)	182	L
4.	Lou Gehrig+ (17)	179	L
5.	Rogers Hornsby+ (23)	175	R
	Mike Trout (8, 26)	175	R
7.	Mickey Mantle+ (18)	172	B

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Agreed. My problem is that I want to make a team that would work in real life. You can have all the great sluggers (see above), but if you don't have pitching and defense it won't work. If someone made an ATD team and took the best offensive player in every round, their team would be bad. I need to find GMs with similar values.

 

[Elvis P]

Lemieux is ranked 12th all time behind Sawchuk by The Hockey Fanatic presents the Top 100 NHL Players of All-Time – 2015 edition. Top 100 NHL Players of All-Time – TheHockeyFanatic

90s-present players are the best ever, because before the 90s there were no international players such as Mikita.