ATD 2020 Draft Thread V

[RustyRazor]

Shit, sorry I missed this round. Just remembered that today was Tuesday.

 

[ChiTownPhilly]

RED FISHER CONFERENCE:
Ottawa Senators – Pittsburgh Athletic Club 3-4 (last game did not go to OT, but two other games did)
1st star Mark Messier, 2nd star Jean Béliveau, 3rd star Georges Vézina

JIM COLEMAN CONFERENCE:
Chicago Cougars – Orillia Terriers 3-4 (last game went to 2nd OT)
1st star Gordie Howe, 2nd star Mike Bossy, 3rd star King Clancy

No wrong answers for either of these ones, I think. Two that absolutely could have gone either way.

Also, another First Star skater for the losing side.

Johnny Bower in Game 7s...

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

No wrong answers for either of these ones, I think. Two that absolutely could have gone either way.

Also, another First Star skater for the losing side.

Johnny Bower in Game 7s...

I've noticed that first stars tend to just be the best players in the series.

When I vote for stars, I try to vote for what decides the series for me. If I think the skaters are similar, but goaltending is the difference, I'll vote a goaltender first. If I think one team's secondary scoring wins it for them, I vote a second liner first.

But the way voting works, if we all vote for our "difference maker" first and the "best player" second or third, and have different difference makers, the best players in the series will usually just end up being the first stars. It's kind of lame, but I don't see how to make it better.

I like "three stars" for flavor, but I hope we never have to use it as a tiebreak again.

 

[ImporterExporter]

I've noticed that first stars tend to just be the best players in the series.

When I vote for stars, I try to vote for what decides the series for me. If I think the skaters are similar, but goaltending is the difference, I'll vote a goaltender first. If I think one team's secondary scoring wins it for them, I vote a second liner first.

But the way voting works, if we all vote for our "difference maker" first and the "best player" second or third, and have different difference makers, the best players in the series will usually just end up being the first stars. It's kind of lame, but I don't see how to make it better.

I like "three stars" for flavor, but I hope we never have to use it as a tiebreak again.

Well said.

I'll also piggyback off that and say I look very hard at who the F and D are matching up against. Not just who are the best players but who I think will be able to actually perform at optimum levels. Obviously scheme plays a part in that and I generally look for folks to explain how they're going to deploy their lines, pairings, etc.

 

[ImporterExporter]

Shit, sorry I missed this round. Just remembered that today was Tuesday.

No worries sir. Appreciate the contributions to this point.

Every voting round is Sunday @ 1200 EST to Tuesday @ 1200.

I'll have the reminders sent out Sunday.

 

[Namba 17]

What if we'll have real votes instead of imaginary "real" scores (4:3 or 4:2)?
What do you think?

 

[Theokritos]

What if we'll have real votes instead of imaginary "real" scores (4:3 or 4:2)?
What do you think?

I'm not sure what you mean. Could you please expand upon it?

 

[Namba 17]

I'm not sure what you mean. Could you please expand upon it?

I mean - we have, say, 14 people who vote. 6 for team "A", 8 for team "B". The announced result will be "B - A 8:6" (not 4:3 or smth).

 

[Theokritos]

I mean - we have, say, 14 people who vote. 6 for team "A", 8 for team "B". The announced result will be "B - A 8:6" (not 4:3 or smth).

The thing is: There are series where everyone agrees that the teams are close and the series will go to seven games. But almost all the voters think team A wins it in game 7. So you'd have a lop-sided result like 12-2. Another series isn't close and almost everyone has team C winning 4-0 or 4-1 or 4-2. Only two voters think team D wins. Result: Both series end with the same result, 12-2, even though one was universally considered close and the other wasn't.

 

[VanIslander]

It does no good to think of votes once the result is released. It is final. It is more fun to hear you won in 6 games or lost in game 7 OT.

 

[Namba 17]

The thing is: There are series where everyone agrees that the teams are close and the series will go to seven games. But almost all the voters think team A wins it in game 7. So you'd have a lop-sided result like 12-2. Another series isn't close and almost everyone has team C winning 4-0 or 4-1 or 4-2. Only two voters think team D wins. Result: Both series end with the same result, 12-2, even though one was universally considered close and the other wasn't.

I prefer 12-2.
But it's up to GMs, off course.

 

[Hawkey Town 18]

It would be nice to see full results released after the Finals. With voter names hidden of course, but something like this for each series:

Team A in 5: 1
Team A in 6: 4
Team A in 7: 6
Team B in 7: 5
Team B in 6: 2

That would be a lot of extra work for @Theokritos though, so understand if it doesn't happen

 

[Theokritos]

It would be nice to see full results released after the Finals. With voter names hidden of course, but something like this for each series:

Team A in 5: 1
Team A in 6: 4
Team A in 7: 6
Team B in 7: 5
Team B in 6: 2

That would be a lot of extra work for @Theokritos though, so understand if it doesn't happen

It could be done pretty quickly, so why not.

EDIT: I didn't read properly. What I meant is posting the number of ballots in favour of each teams (e.g. 12-2 or 8-6) could be done pretty quickly. Posting the full results as suggested by @Hawkey Town 18 would be a lot of work indeed.

 

[BenchBrawl]

I'll get the Conference Finals match ups posted shortly.

@BenchBrawl Thanks for a great series bud. Appreciate you getting some debate in there as well!

Thanks and congrats IE. Your team was certainly deserving of advancing, and you brought your A game in the debates as well.

 

[ImporterExporter]

Thanks and congrats IE. Your team was certainly deserving of advancing, and you brought your A game in the debates as well.

Appreciate the kind words sir, thank you much!

 

[tony d]

Voted

 

[BenchBrawl]

Just found the time to read the series and vote. Ouf, this one was TOUGH.

 

[Theokritos]

11 ballots so far and there are still several hours left to vote.

@Hawkey Town 18
@ImporterExporter
@Johnny Engine
@MadArcand
@ResilientBeast
@Selfish Man
@Sprague Cleghorn
@VanIslander

 

[MadArcand]

Voted.

 

[ResilientBeast]

Will be voting during my morning coffee break

 

[ImporterExporter]

My vote is in.

I've PM'd the folks who haven't voted yet and sent a message on FB to Johnny.

 

[Theokritos]

16 ballots received.

RED FISHER CONFERENCE:

Baltimore Skipjacks – Pittsburgh Athletic Club 2-4
1st star Jean Béliveau, 2nd star Georges Vézina, 3rd star Duncan Keith

JIM COLEMAN CONFERENCE:

New Jersey Swamp Devils – Orillia Terriers 4-3
1st star Guy Lafleur, 2nd star Gordie Howe, 3rd star Earl Seibert

Voters:
@BenchBrawl
@ChiTownPhilly
@Claude The Fraud
@Dreakmur
@Habsfan18
@Hawkey Town 18
@ImporterExporter
@Johnny Engine
@MadArcand
@nabby12
@Namba 17
@ResilientBeast
@rmartin65
@TheDevilMadeMe
@tinyzombies
@tony d

 

[ImporterExporter]

16 ballots received.

RED FISHER CONFERENCE:

Baltimore Skipjacks – Pittsburgh Athletic Club 2-4
1st star Jean Béliveau, 2nd star Georges Vézina, 3rd star Duncan Keith

JIM COLEMAN CONFERENCE:

New Jersey Swamp Devils – Orillia Terriers 4-3
1st star Guy Lafleur, 2nd star Gordie Howe, 3rd star Earl Seibert

Voters:
@BenchBrawl
@ChiTownPhilly
@Claude The Fraud
@Dreakmur
@Habsfan18
@Hawkey Town 18
@ImporterExporter
@Johnny Engine
@MadArcand
@nabby12
@Namba 17
@ResilientBeast
@rmartin65
@TheDevilMadeMe
@tinyzombies
@tony d

@VanIslander @Habsfan18 @Dreakmur

Thank you guys for the efforts and great series! Really appreciate the contributions and Van thank you for getting some discussion in.

Dreak, you did a strong job making pitches for Orillia. You had one of the best top 6's in the draft. Nothing to be upset about getting to the final 4.

@TheDevilMadeMe

To be honest, I figured this might be the final match up. Wouldn't want to go up against anyone but you, looking to earn my first ATD title!

Looking forward to some good debate and a strong ending to a really fantastic draft all around.

Thanks everyone who continues to check in and vote!

 

[ImporterExporter]

I'm quite busy at the moment, but will get the final thread up this afternoon.

 

[ResilientBeast]

I'm quite busy at the moment, but will get the final thread up this afternoon.

I can post it, if you'd like