Art Ross Thread Part II: 2018-2019 season

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

Crosby in sole possession of 4th in scoring right now. Looking for his 7th hart nomination? He’s white hot and just when the pens need him....

 

[Sky04]

Mattews had 10 goals and 16 points in first 6 games to start out the season before injuries ruined it. As any elite fan knows it takes dozen games to get back in full form and yet he´s still at an absurd 1.2 p/gp with insane 30+ goals.
I dont honestly understand why generational talents shouldnt be treated differently because they are the ones who bring in the money and sell merchandise. They should limit hits to these players and League should put enforcing the rule at their top 1 priority.
Sure its not fair but neither is being full grown instead of manlet its just life.
Without injuries Magnificent would be at 40+ goals with this current pace and most likely 1.3 PPG minium if he never had the adjustment periods to get back in form after injuries and he would be still in the competition for both Art and Rocket..

Shouldn't get special treatment cause he's fragile. He would've slowed down below PPG cause he can't handle a full season.

 

[karnige]

You have to tip your hat to Kicherov. He's having an amazon season and deserves the Ross. Mcdavid can't win every year.

easily mcdavids best year and he wont even come close to Kuch

 

[Hockey4Life91]

Kuch to 106. 2 tonight through 2nd period. He keeps pushing the pace.

 

[Video Nasty]

Man he might actually hit 130

 

[DR P00P]

Shouldn't get special treatment cause he's fragile. He would've slowed down below PPG cause he can't handle a full season.

Its too early to say whether he is fragile or unlucky and any elite level fan agrees. Im not talking about banning hits entirely but you should get like extra 2 minutes if the player is generational talent/franchise player like Mattews or Crosby etc. Hits are overrated and most of the time unnessary but every sport has its rotten fan group and for Hockey its the hits/fights fans who cant even spell Ice-Hockey and only want mob fights and injuries

 

[The Macho King]

Man he might actually hit 130

Shot off of the shaft of the stick kept him from hitting 107 tonight (so far).

 

[MarkovsKnee]

OP is updated. No one is catching Kucherov. He's getting points every game. Kane was shutout tonight. Drai's on a hot streak right now and is playing really well. He seems to be getting multiple points every game - even when McDavid was out. Hitch has him going. Oilers have a 2 game win "streak" going and have gone .500 over their last 10 and that has been enough to get them back within 5 pts of a playoff spot in the West. Who knows maybe Drai and McD drag their sorry asses into it.

 

[BenchBrawl]

Did anyone do the breakdown of ''relevant points'' vs. ''superfluous points''? That would be interesting.

As in, a relevant point is any point scored when the game is tied, one goal difference or two goals difference (so 0-0, 1-0, 2-0 or equivalents), and a superfluous point is any point scored when a team is up by 3.

 

[DownIsTheNewUp]

Did anyone do the breakdown of ''relevant points'' vs. ''superfluous points''? That would be interesting.

As in, a relevant point is any point scored when the game is tied, one goal difference or two goals difference (so 0-0, 1-0, 2-0 or equivalents), and a superfluous point is any point scored when a team is up by 3.

Tampa is +84 in goal differential this year. Based on that, they will likely as a team have scored many more "superfluous" goals than other teams. I don't really see how that's all that relevant to an individuals points race unless we're just looking for more ways to penalize Kucherov for not being on a terrible team.

 

[BenchBrawl]

Tampa is +84 in goal differential this year. Based on that, they will likely as a team have scored many more "superfluous" goals than other teams. I don't really see how that's all that relevant to an individuals points race unless we're just looking for more ways to penalize Kucherov for not being on a terrible team.

Actually, you can also score when you're down 0-3 and the point would also be superfluous.Granted if you're often down 0-3, your team sucks at scoring probably, and you're less likely to have many of those.

Regardless, a superfluous point is a superfluous point.Scoring when you're up 4-0 is not the same as scoring when the game is tied, and seeing who scores more in crucial scenarios would be important.It's probably still Kucherov, just curious about the break down.

 

[DownIsTheNewUp]

Actually, you can also score when you're down 0-3 and the point would also be superfluous.Granted if you're often down 0-3, your team sucks at scoring probably, and you're less likely to have many of those.

Regardless, a superfluous point is a superfluous point.Scoring when you're up 4-0 is not the same as scoring when the game is tied, and seeing who scores more in crucial scenarios would be important.It's probably still Kucherov, just curious about the break down.

Fair enough, but Chicago is -27, Edmonton is -30. They aren't getting blown out as much as Tampa is blowing teams out. Tampa has been in a lot more lopsided games.

 

[BenchBrawl]

Fair enough, but Chicago is -27, Edmonton is -30. They aren't getting blown out as much as Tampa is blowing teams out. Tampa has been in a lot more lopsided games.

It doesn't matter.A superfluous point is still superfluous even if some teams have more of them than others.Now we could debate which points should be called superfluous, or maybe someone could just do the breakdown situation by situation (tied, 1-goal diff, 2-goals diff, 3-goals diff, 4+ goals diff) and let us interpret it as we wish.

I would be grateful for that.Hoping someone has already done it and share.

 

[God King Fudge]

There is no such thing as a superfluous point in a league where teams can score 3-4 goals in a matter of minutes.

What a weird thing to say.

 

[DownIsTheNewUp]

It doesn't matter.A superfluous point is still superfluous even if some teams have more of them than others.Now we could debate which points should be called superfluous, or maybe someone could just do the breakdown situation by situation (tied, 1-goal diff, 2-goals diff, 3-goals diff, 4+ goals diff) and let us interpret it as we wish.

I would be grateful for that.Hoping someone has already done it and share.

It does matter if you're trying to use it to compare individual players because Kucherov's team spends a lot more time in the "superfluous" zone vs a team that's been in a lot of close games, therefore giving a lot more time and opportunity for "relevant" points.

 

[BenchBrawl]

It does matter if you're trying to use it to compare individual players because Kucherov's team spends a lot more time in the "superfluous" zone vs a team that's been in a lot of close games, therefore giving a lot more time and opportunity for "relevant" points.

We would need to adjust for that.It's not about the time more about the amount of goal scored in the hot zone I think.

Like if a team is always in 6-5 games, versus a team always in 2-1 games.Both have the same time in hot zone but might be harder to score for the latter team for one reaosn or another unrelated to the player in question (eg a defensive system).

It's getting late, my brain is melting so I'll think it through tomorrow.Would still be interesting to see.

 

[Dondini]

Its too early to say whether he is fragile or unlucky and any elite level fan agrees. Im not talking about banning hits entirely but you should get like extra 2 minutes if the player is generational talent/franchise player like Mattews or Crosby etc. Hits are overrated and most of the time unnessary but every sport has its rotten fan group and for Hockey its the hits/fights fans who cant even spell Ice-Hockey and only want mob fights and injuries

Lol is this real life. Hits are not unecessary. Trying playing and watching all your teammates getting smashed all over the ice. Defintely makes a player think twice and can change the game big time. What kind of joke take is this. The very guy who’s number is being retired tonight is proof of what big hits and fights can do. You thinks irrelevant? You think it doesn’t fire up your teammates? Well you would be dead wrong. Not everything can me measured by some stupid metric

 

[Troubadour]

Actually, you can also score when you're down 0-3 and the point would also be superfluous.Granted if you're often down 0-3, your team sucks at scoring probably, and you're less likely to have many of those.

Regardless, a superfluous point is a superfluous point.Scoring when you're up 4-0 is not the same as scoring when the game is tied, and seeing who scores more in crucial scenarios would be important.It's probably still Kucherov, just curious about the break down.

Even a temporary equalizer may turn out to be "superfluous" if the opposing team scores a couple more.

They all count, and they all count at any moment. It's not necessarily easier to score when you're up by two or harder to score because the game is tied. So many goals are lucky tip ins and deflections that the only thing superfluous here is overthinking it.

However...

QH counts game winning points (Kucherov leads those too):

2018‑2019 NHL Scoring Leaders

And this guy has his own way of evaluating clutchness which does not include assists (and Kucherov does not lead that chart :relief:

NHL Players excelling in game-changing goals

 

[gretskidoo]

4 point night for Crosby so far.

Only a mere 23 points behind Kucherov.

Maybe they'll start removing points for Kucherov so mentioning Crosby in this thread isn't beyond stupid. Weirder things have happened.

 

[CanadienShark]

Its too early to say whether he is fragile or unlucky and any elite level fan agrees. Im not talking about banning hits entirely but you should get like extra 2 minutes if the player is generational talent/franchise player like Mattews or Crosby etc. Hits are overrated and most of the time unnessary but every sport has its rotten fan group and for Hockey its the hits/fights fans who cant even spell Ice-Hockey and only want mob fights and injuries

Huh? Ah, I realize now. You're not serious, you're just trying to rile people up. These days it seems like everyone is trying to one-up other posters with hot takes to get people going.

 

[Shrimper]

Only a mere 23 points behind Kucherov.

Maybe they'll start removing points for Kucherov so mentioning Crosby in this thread isn't beyond stupid. Weirder things have happened.

We're tracking Crosby to see if he finishes top 5.

Nothing wrong with that

 

[Troubadour]

Here are the scoring totals spanning the last three seasons:

McDavid and Kucherov have been pulling away for some time now.

 

[bobholly39]

Only a mere 23 points behind Kucherov.

Maybe they'll start removing points for Kucherov so mentioning Crosby in this thread isn't beyond stupid. Weirder things have happened.

He plays FLA, than Columbus twice. FLA is having a bad year and he likes to score against Columbus. I figure if he gets 5, 4 and 5 points - that puts him at 9 points behind with 14 games to go.

Then 2 games later he plays Ovechkin who he'll have to 1-up with another hat trick - and add an EN for good measure.

5 points back with 13 games to go - I agree, that 'mere 23 points' isn't much.

 

[God King Fudge]

He plays FLA, than Columbus twice. FLA is having a bad year and he likes to score against Columbus. I figure if he gets 5, 4 and 5 points - that puts him at 9 points behind with 14 games to go.

Then 2 games later he plays Ovechkin who he'll have to 1-up with another hat trick - and add an EN for good measure.

5 points back with 13 games to go - I agree, that 'mere 23 points' isn't much.

So does Kucherov just stop scoring in your ridiculous fairy tale orrrr?

 

[bobholly39]

So does Kucherov just stop scoring in your ridiculous fairy tale orrrr?

Yes. He decides to go for the Selke and concentrates on playing the PK exclusively.