Art Ross thread (2018/19)

[daver]

I wonder what McDavid would be doing with a half-competent team.

About as well as he did two years ago?

 

[Absolut]

Kucherov was not even in McDavid's league as a player at the same age when he was an RFA. So there is no comparison between the two in regards to what they signed for as RFA's.

I don't think anyone was comparing them. Kucherov was not in McDavid's universe, and IMO still isn't. But Kucherov's contract was a huge gift to Tampa regardless; he was making less than most of his far-less productive peers.

 

[Pulpfishin]

I don't think anyone was comparing them. Kucherov was not in McDavid's universe, and IMO still isn't..

I'm not sure how to measure a universe but no matter how you measure it I'm pretty sure Kucherov is in the same one as McDavid and in that universe right now McDavid would be looking up to see Kucherov's point total.

 

[Backami]

I don't think anyone was comparing them. Kucherov was not in McDavid's universe, and IMO still isn't. But Kucherov's contract was a huge gift to Tampa regardless; he was making less than most of his far-less productive peers.

Funny universe...Kucherov is on the top of the scoring board by any means.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

McDavid is just a good sport.

 

[rintinw]

This couldn't be further from the truth.

Line Stats - Natural Stat Trick

Really? That link just shows that with Drai he has a good GF% (26-15) while without him it's not very good (12-12).

According to same site:
At 5v5 he played ~372 min. with Drai having 23 points for 3.70 P60. Without Drai he played ~307 min. having 11 points for 2.15 P60.

As ES he played ~412 min. with Drai having 30 points for 4.36 P60. Without Drai he played ~317 min. having 12 points for 2.26 P60.

 

[daver]

I don't think anyone was comparing them. Kucherov was not in McDavid's universe, and IMO still isn't. But Kucherov's contract was a huge gift to Tampa regardless; he was making less than most of his far-less productive peers.

If there is any doubt about this, look at how their teams are doing. The more TB pulls away the bigger the gap between them.

 

[villacco]

Since start of last season:

Player A:
121 Games
64 Goals
105 Assists
169 Points

Player B:
121 Ganes
59 Goals
110 Assists
169 Points

Who won last year? A or B?
Who will win this year?

Seems to me, they are pretty even

 

[Sky04]

If there is any doubt about this, look at how their teams are doing. The more TB pulls away the bigger the gap between them.

CM was on a playoff team that went to the WCF 2 years ago and scored less than what he did last year on a bottom team. Thanks for proving that playing on a weaker team gives you more ice time opportunity to score.

 

[Duffalufagus]

IMO the interesting question is whether McD is value.

I don’t think he is. At his number he offers limited (or no) upside for such a huge cap hit.

Yes, he produces more than anyone else in the league would, in his position, on that team. No one would have more points on the oilers than he has.

But, there are 4-5 guys who would be close. All of whom cost half as much. And, in a cap driven league, that matters.

Point being: McDavid is not good value at 12mil per IMO.

 

[koyvoo]

MacKinnon with 2 points and Rantanen one early in the 1st already.

 

[OilCanada92]

Since start of last season:

Player A:
121 Games
64 Goals
105 Assists
169 Points

Player B:
121 Ganes
59 Goals
110 Assists
169 Points

Who won last year? A or B?
Who will win this year?

Seems to me, they are pretty even

And if those players swapped teams, would their totals stay the same?

 

[daver]

And if those players swapped teams, would their totals stay the same?

Yes

 

[OilCanada92]

Yes

Agreed. Rattie and Stamkos are totally interchangeable.

 

[DitchMarner]

Yes

You don't think having Hedman, Stralman and McDonagh feed you the puck is advantageous at all over getting the puck from Klefbom, Nurse or Russell?

 

[Bank Shot]

IMO the interesting question is whether McD is value.

I don’t think he is. At his number he offers limited (or no) upside for such a huge cap hit.

Yes, he produces more than anyone else in the league would, in his position, on that team. No one would have more points on the oilers than he has.

But, there are 4-5 guys who would be close. All of whom cost half as much. And, in a cap driven league, that matters.
Point being: McDavid is not good value at 12mil per IMO.

That's a lot of mental gymnastics to convince yourself on that point.

Because Mcdavid isn't one of the five best value contracts in the league his deal doesnt have value?

That's a pretty upside down way of looking at things.

 

[Todd from Leduc]

About as well as he did two years ago?

Oh good another Oiler basher, you are completely discrediting Draisaitl and Nuge as linemates.

 

[Backhandbeauty]

CM was on a playoff team that went to the WCF 2 years ago and scored less than what he did last year on a bottom team. Thanks for proving that playing on a weaker team gives you more ice time opportunity to score.

They won one round.

 

[Backhandbeauty]

Dave is the same guy that used to cry about Crosby's linemates and project how many more points he'd have with better wingers.

Being a Homer and fanboy is one thing. People lying and being hypocriticalis another.

 

[Lukin1978]

2 points each for Rantanen and MacKinnon

 

[Regal]

CM was on a playoff team that went to the WCF 2 years ago and scored less than what he did last year on a bottom team. Thanks for proving that playing on a weaker team gives you more ice time opportunity to score.

You should read Daver's posts in this thread. He's being sarcastic.

Though, compared to league scoring/elite scorers, McDavid produced roughly the same last year as the year before.

 

[DitchMarner]

Kucherov: 69 points
Rantanen: 64 points
MacKinnon: 62 points
McDavid: 61 points
Gaudreau: 61 points

 

[koyvoo]

Rantanen and Mack just added right now on the PP. still 10 mins left in the 3rd too.

 

[Sam Spade]

McDavid better get to steppin here, he has four guys to pass and Marner coming from behind.

 

[Lukin1978]

Rantanen and MacKinnon 3 points each now.