Art Ross: McDavid or the field?

[GMofOilers]

Always take the field.

How that work out for you the last 2 years?

 

[OilCanada92]

Strictly based on PPG ranking, Crosby was superior to McDavid's best in 06/07, maybe 07/08, maybe 09/10, 10/11 to 13/14. You are wrong if you think McDavid has faced Crosby at his best.

Looking at dominant PPGs since 2005, McDavid's best has been below Crosby's, Malkin's, OV's, Kane's, Thornton's and Jagr's best.

My very first sentence was that Crosby isn't what he once was so obviously I don't think McDavid is facing him at his best.

Your second is also weird. Of course their averages then would be higher than McDavid's now. Unless you think McDavid wouldn't be capable of also hitting 120 points if he was playing at 20 years old in 2006-07...

Hilarious that you were so condescending (not sure what I did to you) when you quoted my first post but then follow it up with this elementary post where you state the obvious but then present the facts in a misleading way to make your point. You haven't earned your position on that high horse.

 

[bukwas]

Strictly due to the possibility of injury i take the field.

 

[Devil Dancer]

How that work out for you the last 2 years?

Hey look, something happened twice in a row, it's guaranteed to happen again a third time!

 

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

Hey look, something happened twice in a row, it's guaranteed to happen again a third time!

Not to mention injuries helped Mcdavid a lot. Crosby/MacKinnon

 

[daver]

My very first sentence was that Crosby isn't what he once was so obviously I don't think McDavid is facing him at his best.

So your statement that "Crosby didn't have to face Crosby" is somewhat meaningless then.

 

[daver]

Your second is also weird. Of course their averages then would be higher than McDavid's now. Unless you think McDavid wouldn't be capable of also hitting 120 points if he was playing at 20 years old in 2006-07....

You were talking about about PPG rankings, not point totals. McDavid's Art Ross wins have been average so far. He would win the Art Ross against the best of Crosby, Malkin, Thornton, Kane, maybe OV, maybe Sedin.

 

[McFlyingV]

Not to mention injuries helped Mcdavid a lot. Crosby/MacKinnon

Still led the league in PPG both seasons.

 

[Sensinitis]

sure, mcdavid won 2 in a row, its convincing in itself, but last season Mackinnon had a PPG of 0.01 less than McDavid, in just 8 less games. Mackinnon *could* have easily paced for more than his average PPG for 8 games and win, or not, but either way he's so close and would have most likely been so close over 8 more games, that I don't really see why it's "McDavid will coast to the Art Ross" or whatever wording's been used.

Granted, it's just one guy, who had one such season, but still it's definitely worth noting.

 

[Sensinitis]

He did that on a crap team while playing through the flu

how many times has it been convincingly suggested that point totals don't really go up for elite players if they play on a better team.

 

[VoluntaryDom]

how many times has it been convincingly suggested that point totals don't really go up for elite players if they play on a better team.

They do go up when a player gets a competent PP. the oilers PP was a joke and he still broke 100.

 

[OilCanada92]

So your statement that "Crosby didn't have to face Crosby" is somewhat meaningless then.

Crosby won the Richard two seasons ago. Maybe he's not as good offensively as he was 10 years ago but we're talking by only a hair. It's not like he's a shadow of his former self. Crosby today would challenge the Crosby of 2007.

 

[Future GOAT]

Crosby won the Richard two seasons ago. Maybe he's not as good offensively as he was 10 years ago but we're talking by only a hair. It's not like he's a shadow of his former self. Crosby today would challenge the Crosby of 2007.

Exactly this. These guys want to pretend he's a mere shell of his former self to give themselves an excuse for why their favorite player isn't the best anymore. When in reality the difference is a hair.

 

[Sensinitis]

he's the clear favourite, but I wouldn't say it's going to be a walk in the park.

Crosby/Malkin, Mackinnon, Marchand, Kane, Kucherov, Eichel/Matthews, are all guys that should fit in the contending group. Some (Crosby/Malkin) have rightfully earned the reputation of cream-of-the-crop offensive players, others (Mackinnon, Marchand, Kane, Kucherov) have shown shorter but still significant periods of elite offensive dominance, and the last 2 (Eichel, Matthews) because of obvious potential.

 

[Sensinitis]

They do go up when a player gets a competent PP. the oilers PP was a joke and he still broke 100.

has the oilers PP been terrible for the past 3 years clear-cut?

 

[Laineux]

has the oilers PP been terrible for the past 3 years clear-cut?

Has McDavid been the exact same player for the past 3 years clear-cut?

McDavid amped up his scoring chance generation at ES to a level we've never seen before in the advanced stats era.

 

[daver]

Crosby won the Richard two seasons ago. Maybe he's not as good offensively as he was 10 years ago but we're talking by only a hair. It's not like he's a shadow of his former self. Crosby today would challenge the Crosby of 2007.

10th place in Art Ross scoring is a lot closer to being a shadow of his former self than being within a hair of his peak.

It looks really promising for McDavid to have the dominant season that many expect but he clearly has not had that season yet.

 

[pabst blue ribbon]

Team Powerplay (league rankings) success from past Art Ross winners post 04/05

Thornton (12TH PP%, 11TH PP goals)

Crosby (5TH PP%, 1ST PP goals)

Ovechkin (9TH PP%, 8TH PP goals)

Malkin (20TH PP%, 17TH PP goals)

H. Sedin (4TH PP%, 3RD PP goals)

D. Sedin (1ST PP%, 1ST PP goals)

Malkin (5TH PP%, 4TH PP goals)

MSL (13TH PP%, 11TH PP goals)

Crosby (1ST PP%, 2ND PP goals)

Benn (12TH PP%, 5TH PP goals)

Kane (2ND PP%, 3RD PP goals)

McDavid (5TH PP%, 6TH PP goals)

McDavid (31ST PP%, 31ST PP goals)

 

[GMofOilers]

Point Leaders Last Two Seasons
Connor McDavid 208 points
Nikita Kucherov 185
Sidney Crosby 178
Evgeni Malkin 170
Brad Marchand 170

 

[Sensinitis]

Has McDavid been the exact same player for the past 3 years clear-cut?

McDavid amped up his scoring chance generation at ES to a level we've never seen before in the advanced stats era.

I was legitimately asking...Jesus Christ

 

[OilCanada92]

10th place in Art Ross scoring is a lot closer to being a shadow of his former self than being within a hair of his peak.

It looks really promising for McDavid to have the dominant season that many expect but he clearly has not had that season yet.

Well I don't know what else to say if you have that much of a what-have-you-done-for-me-lately mentality.

 

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

Still led the league in PPG both seasons.

Just barely buddy. Crosby needed 11 points in 7 games to win the ross. Very doable. And MacKinnon was like 0.1 ppg behind.

 

[McJC]

sure, mcdavid won 2 in a row, its convincing in itself, but last season Mackinnon had a PPG of 0.01 less than McDavid, in just 8 less games. Mackinnon *could* have easily paced for more than his average PPG for 8 games and win, or not, but either way he's so close and would have most likely been so close over 8 more games, that I don't really see why it's "McDavid will coast to the Art Ross" or whatever wording's been used.

Granted, it's just one guy, who had one such season, but still it's definitely worth noting.

It's more impressive for McDavid to have a higher PPG while having played MORE games. The gap would've been further if Mackinnon played more. A guy who scores 5 points in 5 games is not assumed to be the equivalent of a guy who scores 82 points in 82.

 

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

It's more impressive for McDavid to have a higher PPG while having played MORE games. The gap would've been further if Mackinnon played more. A guy who scores 5 points in 5 games is not assumed to be the equivalent of a guy who scores 82 points in 82.

If both Crosby and mackinnoN played full seasons like Mcdavid the gap would have been 3 and 1 point based on ppg. Each played 75 and 74 games which is a more than big enough sample size. Mcdavid may have still won both but it be damn damn close and could of went either way

 

[daver]

It's more impressive for McDavid to have a higher PPG while having played MORE games. The gap would've been further if Mackinnon played more. A guy who scores 5 points in 5 games is not assumed to be the equivalent of a guy who scores 82 points in 82.

MacKinnon only played five games?