Art Ross: McDavid or the field?

[olli]

Mcdavid 108 points
Giroux 102 points
Kucherov 100 points

“Completely different level”

Mcdavid 84 es points
Giroux 66 es points
Kucherov 66 es points

 

[Frank Drebin]

Mcdavid 108 points
Giroux 102 points
Kucherov 100 points

“Completely different level”

Yup.

Especially when you look at the ground mcdavid made up after October.

Giroux 24p 12gp
Kucherov 21p 13gp
McDavid 11p 10gp

After
Giroux 78pts in 70gms (1.11 ppg)
Kucherov 79pts in 67 games (1.18ppg)
Mcdavid 97pts in 72 games (1.35ppg)

 

[tony d]

The field. I think Crosby wins it again this yr.

 

[GreeningOil]

Yup.

Especially when you look at the ground mcdavid made up after October.

Giroux 24p 12gp
Kucherov 21p 13gp
McDavid 11p 10gp

After
Giroux 78pts in 70gms (1.11 ppg)
Kucherov 79pts in 67 games (1.18ppg)
Mcdavid 97pts in 72 games (1.35ppg)

Wow, never looked at the stats like that. Crazy how good he is...

 

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

The field. I think Crosby wins it again this yr.

Should challenge. Longest offseason he’s had in years

 

[Luigi Lemieux]

You think there's a better chance McDavid misses some significant time due to injury rather than staying healthy this year?

To be fair the last two years have been very close at the top in points per game, but Mcdavid has stayed healthy, credit to him. If he misses a few games here and there he could easily not win.

17-18 ppg
Mcdavid 1.32
McKinnon 1.31
Malkin 1.26

16-17 ppg
Mcdavid 1.22
Crosby 1.19
Malkin 1.16

 

[Tasty Biscuits]

McD's to lose as long as he's healthy.

 

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

Think Crosby is gonna seriously push Mcdavid this year. Think he sweeps the awards for the last time

 

[Regal]

To be fair the last two years have been very close at the top in points per game, but Mcdavid has stayed healthy, credit to him. If he misses a few games here and there he could easily not win.

17-18 ppg
Mcdavid 1.32
McKinnon 1.31
Malkin 1.26

16-17 ppg
Mcdavid 1.22
Crosby 1.19
Malkin 1.16

But those guys also missed games those years so they would have to also stay healthy or McDavid miss even more games than them.

 

[Incognito]

I'm thinking McDavid takes it again. The Art Ross is a bit more boring of a race nowadays than it used to be. McDavid, being the only young generational talent in the league right now, obviously doesn't face the same kind of competition for the trophy that 2006-2014 Crosby, Malkin and Ovechkin went up against (i.e., each other).

 

[OilCanada92]

McDavid had 26 goals and 53 points in the final 33 games last season. That's a 65 goal/132 pace. I bet he wins the Art Ross and might even win the Richard.

 

[OilCanada92]

I'm thinking McDavid takes it again. The Art Ross is a bit more boring of a race nowadays than it used to be. McDavid, being the only young generational talent in the league right now, obviously doesn't face the same kind of competition for the trophy that 2006-2014 Crosby, Malkin and Ovechkin went up against (i.e., each other).

Crosby didn't have to go up against Crosby. Mcdavid does.

 

[KCC]

He did that on a crap team while playing through the flu

And an awful pp. if It was better, he beats everyone by 20+ points easily.

 

[Incognito]

Crosby didn't have to go up against Crosby. Mcdavid does.

There are different versions of Crosby though. There's 2005-2014 Crosby, who consistently scored 100+ points in a season when healthy. Then there is 2015-Present Crosby, who scores an average of ~87 points per season. This is the Crosby that McDavid has been competing against, which is a far cry from peak Crosby.

 

[Devil Dancer]

Always take the field.

 

[Future GOAT]

There are different versions of Crosby though. There's 2005-2014 Crosby, who consistently scored 100+ points in a season when healthy. Then there is 2015-Present Crosby, who scores an average of ~87 points per season. This is the Crosby that McDavid has been competing against, which is a far cry from peak Crosby.

There are different versions of time period and there is a thing called context. Looking at the context of how when and with who those 100+ points were scored, and looking at Crosby today I'd argue Crosby is a better goal scorer now and vastly more experienced and is a better all around player now than he's ever been.

 

[OilCanada92]

There are different versions of Crosby though. There's 2005-2014 Crosby, who consistently scored 100+ points in a season when healthy. Then there is 2015-Present Crosby, who scores an average of ~87 points per season. This is the Crosby that McDavid has been competing against, which is a far cry from peak Crosby.

It's true that Crosby isn't what he once was but scoring from the high end players being lower in recent years (before last season) also plays a part in his totals being lower.

Crosby PPG rankings...
2006: 6th best ppg
2007: 1st
2008: 2nd
2009: 3rd
2010: 4th
2011: 1st (only 41 games)
2012: 1st (only 22 games)
2013: 1st (only 36 games)
2014: 1st
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2015: 1st
2016: 4th (McDavid 3rd)
2017: 2nd (McDavid 1st)
2018: 12th (but 21 points in 12 playoff games)

So I'd say last season was an off year but he's still dominating. Take McDavid out of the league and he has two 1st place and another top 3 finish in the last 4 seasons.

 

[Incognito]

There are different versions of time period and there is a thing called context. Looking at the context of how when and with who those 100+ points were scored, and looking at Crosby today I'd argue Crosby is a better goal scorer now and vastly more experienced and is a better all around player now than he's ever been.

And that's fair, you could easily argue that he's a better all-round player and more effective overall than he was in the past. My point though was that from 2015 to the present day, Crosby hasn't been an Art Ross threat in the same way that he was from 2005 to 2014. Current Crosby just doesn't pose the same threat to McDavid's chances of winning the scoring title as pre-2015 Crosby would have.

 

[Paul4587]

Crosby was injury prone though. Also McDavid doesn't have a prime Ovi or Malkin to go up against. Not yet at least.

His first 3 years in the league Crosby missed less games than McDavid. I hope like hell McDavid doesn’t run into injury problems but you never know what kind of shit luck players will have.

 

[Kamiccolo]

The field because I took McDavid in my work's fantasy pool so he will have an off year.

 

[McClelland]

Only a injury can stop McD from a Art Ross Hatty, a normal pp produktion for him are 20-25 points more!

 

[Midnight Judges]

He was already on a completely different level than the field last year.

Uh, here in reality McDavid had a 6 point lead on second place and an 8 point lead on 3rd place.

 

[Future GOAT]

And that's fair, you could easily argue that he's a better all-round player and more effective overall than he was in the past. My point though was that from 2015 to the present day, Crosby hasn't been an Art Ross threat in the same way that he was from 2005 to 2014. Current Crosby just doesn't pose the same threat to McDavid's chances of winning the scoring title as pre-2015 Crosby would have.

I disagree. Crosby is just as good a point scorer as he's ever been. In 16/17 Crosby was a beast, he was on pace for 97 points in one of the lower scoring seasons in a while and challenged McDavid. Even Dom Luszczyszyn did the math and worked out that based on the way league scoring had dipped in the past decade, that Crosby's 102 point season would translate to 85 points in 16/17 which confirms my observations that he's still the same dominant Crosby who is actually even a bit better now. The only things holding him back from an Art Ross are injuries and McDavid.

 

[Midnight Judges]

im taking McDavid if healthy who is better? no one.

That isn't the question.

 

[Regal]

I disagree. Crosby is just as good a point scorer as he's ever been. In 16/17 Crosby was a beast, he was on pace for 97 points in one of the lower scoring seasons in a while and challenged McDavid. Even Dom Luszczyszyn did the math and worked out that based on the way league scoring had dipped in the past decade, that Crosby's 102 point season would translate to 85 points in 16/17 which confirms my thoughts that if anything is holding Crosby back from the Art Ross these days, it's injuries or McDavid.

Crosby has quite a few years better than that 102 point season though.