Video Arron Asham KO's Jay Beagle

[Big McLargehuge]

I would bet he gets a game as others have gotten in the past. The league does not want that type of showboating on another head injury

The league already said there would be no action to penalize Asham further because he didn't know the severity of the injury when he celebrated. If you start suspending players for this then you have to start penalizing celebrations in general. Asham was celebrating a knockout punch in the heat of the moment, not that Beagle was hurt. He sure as hell couldn't have known Beagle was bleeding like he was. When I played I got into more than a couple fights (I always liked to compare myself as 'a mix of Arturs Irbe and Theo Fleury, without the talent...yeah, I was a goalie, and I was/am short, and I tend to be overwhelmed by emotion when I played), and the one time I one punch KO'd a guy...you're god damned right I celebrated. I don't know how anyone doesn't celebrate in a situation like that in the moment right after it happens. Of course once you realize the guy is actually hurt you feel pretty ******, but hey...it's hockey. If you don't want to fight, don't drop the gloves.


I refuse the word taunt in this situation. Taunting is to do the action towards the player/team, Asham was doing it away from the player and towards the crowd.

 

[MikeyMike01]

Really? This is what people are upset over? It's not even taunting. It's showboating at best.

 

[Hal 9000*]

I hope Beagle learned his lesson. This is exactly why we need fighters in the NHL.

 

[Dream Big]

I blame Letang for this whole thing.

If he doesn't throw his hand up in the air like a pouty child to the refs when his helmet comes off and stomp his little foot Asham would not have run to his rescue. Plus someone should teach him how to fasten the strap on his helmet.

Face it that minor altercation between Letang and Beagle was no good reason to cause a traumatic brain injury to the youngster Beagle.

Happy 26th birthday Beagle. Note Asham is 33

Definitely overkill by Asham which I think he realizes. This is why enforcers are on drugs and kill themselves. The shame of knowing they hurt someone who did not deserve it.

http://blogs.thescore.com/nhl/2011/...absolutely-had-to-answer-the-aaron-asham-bell

 

[Skrudland2Lomakin]

I hope Beagle learned his lesson. This is exactly why we need fighters in the NHL.

Wait? What lesson would that be? You're not allowed to touch certain players. I mean lets be real he face washed Kris Letang after he took exception to Letang hitting him from behind, that's not exactly a situation in dire need of justice or whatever. I mean this is hockey, I find the entire halo concept around certain players ridiculous. Assuming a player isn't being targeted because of his status, then nothing should come of 90% of hits. Letang didn't get face washed because he was Kris Letang, he got it because he hit Beagle from behind and Beagle didn't like it, so goes hockey. The concept that we need fighters in the NHL because Jay Beagle knocked off Kris Letang's helmet is ridiculous.

 

[BrookswasHere44]

I dont even want to comment here because im a Pittsburgh fan but the crying her is CRAZY!!! Blame Letang? Possibly the best ive read...Beagle WAS NOT jumped. Agreed. Took a beating. Asham made what SOME people consider a regrettable gesture while his heart is going a kagillion miles an hour from a fight, against a hated team, in a close game all the while 18k people cheer.

The guy even appoligizes yet...lets find anything to complain about. Complete bummer that the kid almost for sure has a concussion, but the most important thing to remember is....wait for it.....he agreed to fight, not jumped

 

[Skrudland2Lomakin]

I more so have a problem with the fans cheering while Beagle is down on the ice rather than Asham's conduct, Asham acted perhaps in the heat of the moment. When reality caught up to him and he realized Beagle was seriously hurt, he seemed somewhat regretful for his taunting and concerned for Beagles well being. The fans on the other hand had the benefit of both time and perspective and still got their jollies out of a player lying on the ice bleeding. Cheering a fight is one thing, but once it's over and you can tell a guy is seriously hurt, it's time shut up. I know Chimera said he had no issue with Asham, spoke in the same manner as Knuble did, but he took understandably significant exception to the fans cheering while Beagle was down. I would have been embarrassed to be a part of that crowd last night no matter what stadium or team it was for.

 

[BrookswasHere44]

I more so have a problem with the fans cheering while Beagle is down on the ice rather than Asham's conduct, Asham acted perhaps in the heat of the moment. When reality caught up to him and he realized Beagle was seriously hurt, he seemed somewhat regretful for his taunting and concerned for Beagles well being. The fans on the other hand had the benefit of both time and perspective and still got their jollies out of a player lying on the ice bleeding. Cheering a fight is one thing, but once it's over and you can tell a guy is seriously hurt, it's time shut up. I know Chimera said he had no issue with Asham, spoke in the same manner as Knuble did, but he took understandably significant exception to the fans cheering while Beagle was down. I would have been embarrassed to be a part of that crowd last night no matter what stadium or team it was for.

Touche. That sir i cant argue, nor will i try

 

[bonzaibondra12]

Beagle got suckered into taking a stupid penalty by Letang, How did Letang turtle to the refs? Letang didn't have to fight Beagle just like Beagle didn't have to fight Asham.

Beagle lays a good hit on Letang. Letang cross checks him in the back. Beagle gives him a quick shot. Letang runs to the refs whining. Asham goes after Beagle.

This **** happens all the time. If it was a big deal, then Letang should stop pulling a Talbot and fight like a man. This is why the Islanders beat the living hell out of that whole team last year.

 

[BrookswasHere44]

Beagle lays a good hit on Letang. Letang cross checks him in the back. Beagle gives him a quick shot. Letang runs to the refs whining. Asham goes after Beagle.

This **** happens all the time. If it was a big deal, then Letang should stop pulling a Talbot and fight like a man. This is why the Islanders beat the living hell out of that whole team last year.

Talbot fought here. Letang has fought here. They pay Letang to do his job. They pay Asham to do his. I missed when the Islanders beat up the whole team unless you are talking about when Tangradi was jumped (which Beagle was not)...ill tweet Dipietro and see if he can refresh my memory.

You got alot of nad calling out ANY other team when you are a Caps fan..just sayin.

Why am i the last notice Caps fans are as *****y as BB?

 

[wej20]

Beagle lays a good hit on Letang. Letang cross checks him in the back. Beagle gives him a quick shot. Letang runs to the refs whining. Asham goes after Beagle.

This **** happens all the time. If it was a big deal, then Letang should stop pulling a Talbot and fight like a man. This is why the Islanders beat the living hell out of that whole team last year.

Letang clearly suckered Beagle into taking a stupid penalty. The Islanders beat the the living hell out of the Pens because they didn't like getting hit hard or the fact that DiPietro got one punched by Johnson.

 

[AHockeyGameBrokeOut*]

Beagle started the fight AND was penalized for his actions against Letang. Asham KO'd him, visor and all, after Beagle landed 4 punches on him. It wasn't like Asham skated over to him, tugged his jersey and sucker punched him (like Evander Kane would do).

At the time Asham probably didn't think Beagle would be hurt when he made the gestures, I think he was happy about winning the fight, once he found out that there was a potential injury to Beagle he started tapping his stick.

He wanted to beat Beagle up, but not permanently injure him - He was happy about knocking him out but the guilt set in about the taunting...

Great fight, it's just a shame that Beagle got his face broken. I'm sure Asham (who really IS a classy guy) will send him a nice "Get Well Soon" card.

As for Letang "going to the refs" - He didn't, he got off the ice as part of a line change which was interrupted by Beagle, Beagle was not only roughing him but impeding a change. Watch the vid again.

 

[Switch]

As for Letang "going to the refs" - He didn't, he got off the ice as part of a line change which was interrupted by Beagle, Beagle was not only roughing him but impeding a change. Watch the vid again.

Take your own advice.

http://video.nhl.com/videocenter/console?catid=3&id=128092

 

[Bieber fever]

Hahah poor beagle but who the **** want to fight liu kang for a first fight ?? Terrible match up

 

[CanadianHockey]

Feel bad for both Beagle and Asham. At first I thought Asham's celebration was awesome, but then I looked behind him and realized Beagle was actually seriously injured. Good on Asham to admit to his wrong.

Letang however... ugh. I don't like the guy, this reinforces it (although I realize guys give each other shots like that all the time).

 

[Hal 9000*]

Wait? What lesson would that be? You're not allowed to touch certain players. I mean lets be real he face washed Kris Letang after he took exception to Letang hitting him from behind, that's not exactly a situation in dire need of justice or whatever. I mean this is hockey, I find the entire halo concept around certain players ridiculous. Assuming a player isn't being targeted because of his status, then nothing should come of 90% of hits. Letang didn't get face washed because he was Kris Letang, he got it because he hit Beagle from behind and Beagle didn't like it, so goes hockey. The concept that we need fighters in the NHL because Jay Beagle knocked off Kris Letang's helmet is ridiculous.

Why did Jay Beagle decide to face wash and take off Letang's helmet anyway? I mean, that's not a hockey play - is it? No, he was doing it for 1 of 2 reasons, either to just be an agitator and get a cheap one in on another player or because he knew Asham would come in defense of Letang. I never saw the game or the sequence long enough to know for sure, but what I do know is that Beagle was looking for something.

I have no "dog in the fight" (no pun intended) here, I just find it ridiculous that people are on Asham for this, when Beagle knew exactly what he was doing and why. If people want to see a reduction in fights in the NHL, deal with the agitators first - you'd be amazed at where that leads.

If I was a ref, I'd give unsportsmanlike conduct penalties for these punches to the face or face washes. I'm serious too, it looks way worse than anything else in a hockey game.

Before people react, just watch a few games and notice just how much crap all begins with one player putting their hands in the face of another player - much more than most people would guess. It's actually in our primal make-up, but watch any strretfight, barfight, domestic squabble or episode of Jerry Springer - they all escalate when someone puts their hand in anothers face.

 

[Dream Big]

Take your own advice.

http://video.nhl.com/videocenter/console?catid=3&id=128092

From this it looks like Beagle was going for a line change. The next thing you know Asham and Beagle are fighting. I'd like to see the footage just prior to that just for clarification as to who instigated the fight. How did Beagle and Asham even cross paths?

I'm not crucifying Asham about this. His $700,000 paycheck is earned by him being what he is. I get it. I've never had a problem with Asham before and actually have found him intriguing as a player and person.

I just don't think the ticky tacky stuff that went on between Letang and Beagle necessitated an enforcement call out. Whether is was a by your leave invite to dance or not. It was unnecessary violence.

 

[JustGivingEr]

Beagle started the fight AND was penalized for his actions against Letang. Asham KO'd him, visor and all, after Beagle landed 4 punches on him. It wasn't like Asham skated over to him, tugged his jersey and sucker punched him (like Evander Kane would do).

At the time Asham probably didn't think Beagle would be hurt when he made the gestures, I think he was happy about winning the fight, once he found out that there was a potential injury to Beagle he started tapping his stick.

He wanted to beat Beagle up, but not permanently injure him - He was happy about knocking him out but the guilt set in about the taunting...

Great fight, it's just a shame that Beagle got his face broken. I'm sure Asham (who really IS a classy guy) will send him a nice "Get Well Soon" card.

As for Letang "going to the refs" - He didn't, he got off the ice as part of a line change which was interrupted by Beagle, Beagle was not only roughing him but impeding a change. Watch the vid again.

Um what?

 

[Skrudland2Lomakin]

Why did Jay Beagle decide to face wash and take off Letang's helmet anyway? I mean, that's not a hockey play - is it? No, he was doing it for 1 of 2 reasons, either to just be an agitator and get a cheap one in on another player or because he knew Asham would come in defense of Letang. I never saw the game or the sequence long enough to know for sure, but what I do know is that Beagle was looking for something.

I have no "dog in the fight" (no pun intended) here, I just find it ridiculous that people are on Asham for this, when Beagle knew exactly what he was doing and why. If people want to see a reduction in fights in the NHL, deal with the agitators first - you'd be amazed at where that leads.

If I was a ref, I'd give unsportsmanlike conduct penalties for these punches to the face or face washes. I'm serious too, it looks way worse than anything else in a hockey game.

Before people react, just watch a few games and notice just how much crap all begins with one player putting their hands in the face of another player - much more than most people would guess. It's actually in our primal make-up, but watch any strretfight, barfight, domestic squabble or episode of Jerry Springer - they all escalate when someone puts their hand in anothers face.

I'm confused, were you watching the game or not?

Is face washing a hockey play? No, not per se, but it's also not any sort of indicator for looking for trouble like you seem to believe. Face washing happens every game with no response really. Why do I believe Jay Beagle face washed Letang? Because he took a questionable hit to the back and he wanted to respond letting him no he took exception to it, Beagle pulled a penalty for that, so yeah he did get called for a penalty like you wanted. I'm really at a loss for words if you think face washing is one of the worst parts of the game and warrants a beat down.

 

[Hal 9000*]

I'm confused, were you watching the game or not?

Is face washing a hockey play? No, not per se, but it's also not any sort of indicator for looking for trouble like you seem to believe. Face washing happens every game with no response really. Why do I believe Jay Beagle face washed Letang? Because he took a questionable hit to the back and he wanted to respond letting him no he took exception to it, Beagle pulled a penalty for that, so yeah he did get called for a penalty like you wanted. I'm really at a loss for words if you think face washing is one of the worst parts of the game and warrants a beat down.

Did you stop and think about what I wrote? I don't expect too many people to understand sociology and aggression - it's not really a pre-requisite for message boards.

In nearly every society or culture and in every age group from 5year olds to adults aggression escalates at the point when one party shoves their hand(s) in another face - the flashpoint. It's about control, basically a dominence move - it's considered a threat. This is not my opinion, it's been studied in great detail.

Does a fight happen everytime this goes on? Of course not, like you said, it happens all the time. I'm saying that most fights begin with this action. And...when people "face wash", what do you really think they're doing? Like you said, he wanted to let Letang know he took exception. Therefore Beagle knew what he was doing - and why. Does a person deserve a beatdown when they do this? Well, not really, but they should expect that it could happen.

BTW - I didn't say it's one of the worst parts of the game, I said it looks worse than anything else - and it does, it looks silly. That part is just my opinion though.

 

[Bennett Brauer]

From this it looks like Beagle was going for a line change. The next thing you know Asham and Beagle are fighting. I'd like to see the footage just prior to that just for clarification as to who instigated the fight. How did Beagle and Asham even cross paths?

I'm not crucifying Asham about this. His $700,000 paycheck is earned by him being what he is. I get it. I've never had a problem with Asham before and actually have found him intriguing as a player and person.

I just don't think the ticky tacky stuff that went on between Letang and Beagle necessitated an enforcement call out. Whether is was a by your leave invite to dance or not. It was unnecessary violence.

I agree, wasn't worth enforcement, but just to clearify, Asham told the story and it was on NHL On The Fly, now these aren't exact words so I won't use (") but Asham pretty much said that,

After Beagle engaged with Letang, he went to him and told him to settle down out there and then Beagle asked Asham if he wanted to go and they fought.

I can't provide a link, I saw it on NHL on the Fly, I believe Marty Turco was on when they played Asham's voice recording of the comment. If you saw it then good then if not, take what I just said with a grain of salt.

 

[Claude28Giroux]

Still no gif....

 

[Dream Big]

I agree, wasn't worth enforcement, but just to clearify, Asham told the story and it was on NHL On The Fly, now these aren't exact words so I won't use (") but Asham pretty much said that,

After Beagle engaged with Letang, he went to him and told him to settle down out there and then Beagle asked Asham if he wanted to go and they fought.

I can't provide a link, I saw it on NHL on the Fly, I believe Marty Turco was on when they played Asham's voice recording of the comment. If you saw it then good then if not, take what I just said with a grain of salt.

From the footage at the 5 second mark Beagle is heading in for a line change and Asham turns hard to intercept him. http://video.nhl.com/videocenter/console?catid=3&id=128092
I highly doubt Asham said "settle down out there". Asham, way after the fact, lay in wait and picked a fight against a non fighter and now is saying that Beagle sought him out? Come on. Malarky.

 

[Eaglepride*]

God the anti-fighting crowd is really becoming somewhat disgusting. Asham celebrated a KO in the heat of a moment against a hatred team, he didn't know Beagle was seriously ****ed up.

Didn't you guys not see his stick clapping after he saw what happened to Beagle and even after that he did apologize for his actions. What more can you ask ?!

As for people saying Letang should have fought why? The guy is a great defenseman not known for fighting you wanna fight? Pick a fighter and well the Pens do have some sandpaper.

Shero and DB have been very vocal about protecting their stars and yes Letang is a future star. Just wait till someone runs Crosby and SmackIntyre will be unleashed.

Oh god I sound like a Pens fan here, I really don't like them but credit where its due. Really wish we would have one of the 1,2-3 punch they have this season (especially BigMAC).

 

[tarheelhockey]

I honestly don't see the problem with the post-fight gestures. It wasn't like he got in Beagle's face to rub it in NFL-style. The crowd loves a bit of showmanship after a fight, and given that Asham didn't know how badly Beagle was hurt, there wasn't anything particularly offensive about what he did.