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egelband

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Think the Leafs have their offer together for Ayers?? Probably be cheaper than Georgiev. No blowback from the fans.
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The Senators right now have 12, with 5 picks in the first two rounds alone. It could be even more by the time the trade deadline passes if they move Pageau, Namestnikov and Hainsey.
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Pretty good for a team that was in the dumps this time last year. Yes they are still crap but there is some talent on that team and could add tons more if they draft well.
 

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That might just drive the Leafs season off a cliff.
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At this rate, they're on pace to break NYR's record for the longest Cup drought.

We know what the Rangers went through until 1994, but 1967 may be the new 1940.
 
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Gretzky played in an era where you could basically wish the puck into the net.

Ovechkin may break his record in a much tougher era to score... While losing a year and a half worth of games due to Bettman.
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And despite that, nobody even came close to Gretzky in the 80s in both points and goals. He had a 65+ point lead in the league for 6 straight seasons. This notion that "it was easier to score in the 80s so Gretzky would struggle today" only makes sense if other players in the same era were even close to Gretzky. They weren't.

1981: 163. Dionne in 2nd with 135 (+27)
1982: 212. Bossy in 2nd with 147 (+65)
1983: 196. Stastny in 2nd with 124 (+72)
1984: 205. Coffey in 2nd with 126 (+79)
1985: 208. Kurri in 2nd with 135 (+73)
1986: 215. Lemieux in 2nd with 141 (+74)
1987: 183. Kurri in 2nd with 108 (+75)

He led the league in goals in most of those seasons as well. You're not wrong that Ovechkin plays in an era where it's harder to score, but I feel the "anyone could score in the 80s" argument is used a lot to discredit/diminish the achievements of players like Gretzky. Not saying you're doing that here, but I always feel the urge to mention the above stats when it comes up haha.

Throughout the 1980s, Gretzky led the league in goals with 677, with Jari Kurri in 2nd place with 474, over 200 goals behind Gretzky. Sure, you could "wish the puck into the net" but nobody wished the puck into the net more than Gretzky, and by a large margin (almost 50% more than the guy in 2nd place)

Ovechkin is, in my opinion, a better goal-scorer because Gretzky was just a more complete player. Ovechkin was a pure sniper most of his NHL career and has in recent years improved his overall game.
 
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Amazing Kreiderman said:
And despite that, nobody even came close to Gretzky in the 80s in both points and goals. He had a 65+ point lead in the league for 6 straight seasons. This notion that "it was easier to score in the 80s so Gretzky would struggle today" only makes sense if other players in the same era were even close to Gretzky. They weren't.

1981: 163. Dionne in 2nd with 135 (+27)
1982: 212. Bossy in 2nd with 147 (+65)
1983: 196. Stastny in 2nd with 124 (+72)
1984: 205. Coffey in 2nd with 126 (+79)
1985: 208. Kurri in 2nd with 135 (+73)
1986: 215. Lemieux in 2nd with 141 (+74)
1987: 183. Kurri in 2nd with 108 (+75)

He led the league in goals in most of those seasons as well. You're not wrong that Ovechkin plays in an era where it's harder to score, but I feel the "anyone could score in the 80s" argument is used a lot to discredit/diminish the achievements of players like Gretzky. Not saying you're doing that here, but I always feel the urge to mention the above stats when it comes up haha.

Throughout the 1980s, Gretzky led the league in goals with 677, with Jari Kurri in 2nd place with 474, over 200 goals behind Gretzky. Sure, you could "wish the puck into the net" but nobody wished the puck into the net more than Gretzky, and by a large margin (almost 50% more than the guy in 2nd place)

Ovechkin is, in my opinion, a better goal-scorer because Gretzky was just a more complete player. Ovechkin was a pure sniper most of his NHL career and has in recent years improved his overall game.
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Gretzky wasn't a guy looking to shoot all the time. He liked setting his teammates up. It's kind of like Panarin is with us this year. He'll take what's given to him but it's almost as if his first preference is another teammate scores the goal. Ovechkin is very much a pure shooter.
 
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eco's bones said:
Gretzky wasn't a guy looking to shoot all the time. He liked setting his teammates up. It's kind of like Panarin is with us this year. He'll take what's given to him but it's almost as if his first preference is another teammate scores the goal. Ovechkin is very much a pure shooter.
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And I get that, but I don't get the "anyone could score in the 1980s" argument. Gretzky still outscored the entire league by 200+ goals at minimum in that decade
 
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