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PiggySmalls

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I generally like listening to their show on my ride home but when they did the rankings I was like "Really?". I was trying to remember where he had DAL, and I could be mixing them up with somebody else. MIN stands out as a WTF if I'm remembering their ranking correctly.

CHI 20th
STL 18th
COL 14th
MIN 11th
WIN&NSH both in top 5

Do you remember the central rankings?

DAL was at 21 IIRC. I’m not going to hold it against Boomer too much. For years he has been reasonably positive about the Blues. It’s almost as if he has reached the point of being burned too many times. Blues do have a lot of “what if’s” going into the season. While nearly all of us and a vast majority of hockey media agree Blues took major steps in answering those questions. Those what if’s are still there.
 

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I generally like listening to their show on my ride home but when they did the rankings I was like "Really?". I was trying to remember where he had DAL, and I could be mixing them up with somebody else. MIN stands out as a WTF if I'm remembering their ranking correctly.

CHI 20th
STL 18th
COL 14th
MIN 11th
WIN&NSH both in top 5

Do you remember the central rankings?
piggy said 21 but I dont remember. He's not a fan of Dallas though

Admittedly, I did not. But I'm not surprised, that's what I figured. Like I said, he didn't seem like a guy with a bad attitude or anything so I assumed his quote was just a young guy trying to find the right way to answer a question. So that's good to hear.
Yea, it irked me but once I heard it, it made sense lol.
DAL was at 21 IIRC. I’m not going to hold it against Boomer too much. For years he has been reasonably positive about the Blues. It’s almost as if he has reached the point of being burned too many times. Blues do have a lot of “what if’s” going into the season. While nearly all of us and a vast majority of hockey media agree Blues took major steps in answering those questions. Those what if’s are still there.
I'm not even mad about the rankings, it's his dismissal of the Blues moves. He doesn't seem to think the Blues will be better, which is mind blowing. He whines about the money spent. Cap space is only valuable if you use it. He continuously praises San Jose for clearing space for JT....well they didnt get JT, so its irrelevant unless they snag another big fish. He's also absurdly high on Colorado because he loves MacKinnon so much. He even admits the team cant do anything without him. That team had a statistically baffling rebound which he seems perfectly content on assuming will improve. Then there's Columbus......he loves that team for whatever reason. They are politely escorted out of the playoffs every year, yet he thinks.... this year they'll break through. That team is in for dark times as soon as next year if the Russians leave....and one already has 1 foot out the door. They have a fantastic young top pairing moving forward, but that's about it imo.

Again....I have no issue with Stl being 18th, but to simply just dismiss the upgrades and future the team has is just wrong
 

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I'm just fine with St Louis not being in any predictions as a good team. I think they could compete for the division if it all comes together. But who cares what other people think about it. They start playing games in a month anyway, so we'll see.
 

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I'm just fine with St Louis not being in any predictions as a good team. I think they could compete for the division if it all comes together. But who cares what other people think about it. They start playing games in a month anyway, so we'll see.


Yep, we dont need to be media darlings. We all know we will be competing for the division title and #1 seed. They will all jump on board when we start kicking asses. This team is stacked. Most talent since the lock out IMO.
 
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Jets going to pay Wheeler $8.25 a year for 5 years starting when he is 33? Wow. He is heckuva player, but that contract likely to be mighty painful to them in a couple years.
 
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Yep, we dont need to be media darlings. We all know we will be competing for the division title and #1 seed. They will all jump on board when we start kicking asses. This team is stacked. Most talent since the lock out IMO.
Agreed. This team is giving me a weird sense of success for once. Hold onto your hats boys.
 
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Ugh, first they trade away 1st (2018)+2nd (2019)+3rd (2021) round pick for Tatar and he was healthy scratch quite many times. I don't like how they have spend their picks/prospects so far.

and now they push hard for Pacioretty <-> pick + roster player + very good prospect.
 

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Ugh, first they trade away 1st (2018)+2nd (2019)+3rd (2021) round pick for Tatar and he was healthy scratch quite many times. I don't like how they have spend their picks/prospects so far.

and now they push hard for Pacioretty <-> pick + roster player + very good prospect.

Yeah, strange for a 1-year rental, unless they think they can sign him. At this point, they should trade for Karlsson and Stone.
 

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Don’t know why Vegas is so flippant about trading picks and prospects given they need to draft and develop talent if they want to maintain any sort of success. They must be intent on locking Patches up long term which I don’t think is the best idea, either. Weird to see MTL actually come out of that situation looking pretty good.
 

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They pay a ridiculous price for Tatar and then give up on him after a few months of hockey. Okay...

This trade depends on what the Pacioretty extension looks like, and I doubt that will be pretty.

They have given up Suzuki, a 1st, two 2nds & a 3rd in the past 6 months and have Pacioretty. It must be weird being a Vegas fan and wondering what to think of GMGM; he proved everyone wrong after the expansion draft, but seems to be making detrimental trades since.
 
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Tatar is meh, they never should've traded for him, especially at that price, but it's better to move one than stick with a meh player. We held on to Stewart way too long in a similar situation.

I don't mind the price that Vegas paid for Patches, assume they extend him to a semi-reasonable deal, but they need to start thinking about asset management. For all the picks they picked up at the expansion draft, they don't have any additional 1sts in future years, so they don't have an excessive stockpile.

McPhee has made some questionable moves in the past, they better hope this isn't Forsberg/Erat 2.0.
 

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Vegas has a lot of toys to play with in regards to draft picks. They still have a 2nd rounder this year, plus three 3rd rounders they can use to move up if they want to. That’s in addition to the three 2nd rounders they have next year and both of their 1st rounders for 2019 and 2020. Suzuki is really good, but he also represents the third of three first rounders they had two drafts ago.

Draft picks are valuable insofar as they are scarce. Vegas isn’t suffering from a scarcity problem in their futures department, and they’ve done well attracting free agent signees (e.g. Zach Whitecloud) as well. They have an advantage over most other teams because they have (and have had since the expansion draft) more ammunition than any team usually has any hope of ever stockpiling. It’s also worth remembering that (1) all of those prospects have to play somewhere eventually, (2) each team only gets 50 contract spots, and (3) Chicago hates playing development players.

Vegas gave up too much to get Tatar in the first place, but given that they almost made the Cup despite that (not because... Tatar had hardly anything to do with their run), you can look past it. They also lost James Neal and David Perron to free agency this year, and won’t have Nate Schmidt for the first 20 games. Patches helps fill those gaps and then some. And I don’t really see their inventory of futures as being weak -again- despite these two big payments.

I think Vegas just occupies a weird, unique space in the market right now that gives them certain advantages. It just doesn’t look like what we’re used to. It’s like they’re paying for dinner with $2 bills: It looks weird and crazy to us (gotta hang onto those Jeffersons), but we don’t realize they have a whole safe full of them at home.

That’s a good pickup for Vegas, and it’s even better for Paciorettt to get the hell out of Montreal. He and Stastny will be fun to watch together.
 

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It's the GM that traded Forsberg for Erat. Regardless of how many picks you have, you still have to be frugal with them. We praise Army for his recent moves but his recent crappy contracts forced him to expend more currency then he would have normally had to.

I'm not very high on Vegas moving forward. They need alot to go right again for them to be a serious threat. I'm not blown away by the Stastny signing like most of the media is. I watched him for 3 1/2yrs....good player but not a game changer. His stock boomed with Winnepeg, but he was playing with Ehlers and Laine.


The true winner is this trade is Pacioretty. Finally got out of that hell hole.
 

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To me it feels like playing the Stanley Cup Final was the worst thing that could happen to a new team. It might sound weird, but reaching the final basicly means that Vegas IMMEDIATLY shifted from a building team to a win now team. Especially if you get UFA-players that leave your team after one season (Perron, Neal, Patches...?) and you overpay picks for underperforming players (Tatar). They have to trade valuable assets just to be able to stay in the race instead of actually developing players. I wouldn't be surprised if Vegas can't continue last seasons succes and is basicly already forced into a rebuild modus within a couple of seasons.
 

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It's the GM that traded Forsberg for Erat. Regardless of how many picks you have, you still have to be frugal with them. We praise Army for his recent moves but his recent crappy contracts forced him to expend more currency then he would have normally had to.

I'm not very high on Vegas moving forward. They need alot to go right again for them to be a serious threat. I'm not blown away by the Stastny signing like most of the media is. I watched him for 3 1/2yrs....good player but not a game changer. His stock boomed with Winnepeg, but he was playing with Ehlers and Laine.


The true winner is this trade is Pacioretty. Finally got out of that hell hole.

Marchessault, Karlsson, Stastny, Pacioretty, Haula, and Smith are about as good of a top-6 group as anybody else in the league. They and Calgary are likely going to duke it out in the Pacific this year. You have to wonder about MAF, but the same can be said about Mike Smith too. Calgary has an edge on defense, but Colin Miller is a legit #1 dman that doesn’t get half the credit he deserves. Nate Schmidt is going to be playing with fire in his belly when he gets back from his suspension.

Idk, I wouldn’t be so quick to count them out.
 

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Marchessault, Karlsson, Stastny, Pacioretty, Haula, and Smith are about as good of a top-6 group as anybody else in the league. They and Calgary are likely going to duke it out in the Pacific this year. You have to wonder about MAF, but the same can be said about Mike Smith too. Calgary has an edge on defense, but Colin Miller is a legit #1 dman that doesn’t get half the credit he deserves. Nate Schmidt is going to be playing with fire in his belly when he gets back from his suspension.

Idk, I wouldn’t be so quick to count them out.
I don't agree. Marchessault has done enough to say hes consistent. Was Karlsson a 1 hit wonder....or will he regress? I dont think hell go back to being a 4th liner, but I'm not going to pencil him in as a 1C till he shows it again. Theres just a whole lot of overachievers last year. Stastny isnt exactly a spring chicken by any means..... that top 6 isn't as good as anyone even taken at face value from last year.


Miller doesn't get the credit he deserves because he doesnt play 25min a night. He looks like a good dman, but he's not in the true #1 dman conversation. He has another step to take.

As for Schmidt....sure, I guess.


A whole lot riding of things going right. I'm not exactly cutting them out of the mix....but even going off of your enthusiasm, if they are duking it out with Calgary, they must not be THAT high on your list.
 

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You can't trust about half of the Vegas team going into next season. They'll still be solid/good, but they realistically could miss the playoffs. Karlsson is not going to shoot 23.4% again. Cutting that number in half is more likely than him repeating it.
 

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I don't agree. Marchessault has done enough to say hes consistent. Was Karlsson a 1 hit wonder....or will he regress? I dont think hell go back to being a 4th liner, but I'm not going to pencil him in as a 1C till he shows it again. Theres just a whole lot of overachievers last year. Stastny isnt exactly a spring chicken by any means..... that top 6 isn't as good as anyone even taken at face value from last year.


Miller doesn't get the credit he deserves because he doesnt play 25min a night. He looks like a good dman, but he's not in the true #1 dman conversation. He has another step to take.

As for Schmidt....sure, I guess.


A whole lot riding of things going right. I'm not exactly cutting them out of the mix....but even going off of your enthusiasm, if they are duking it out with Calgary, they must not be THAT high on your list.

Who do you have out West? LAK is made of dinosaurs, SJS is too but their prospect pool is way worse than the Kings. The Ducks are riding on the health of Kessler, Getzlaf and Perry. I liked the moves ARI made this offseason, but I’ll believe it when I see it with them. Vancouver will be on the struggle bus. Edmonton still won’t be good.

Calgary made some good additions with Lindholm, Hanifin and Neal. They’ve got a solid core with Johnny Hockey and Monahan, and their D group is a clear strength. Mike Smith is still probably the best puck-moving goalie in the league, but whether he’s got enough gas in the tank for a deep playoff run is another question. I would believe he does, but they also have a strong stable of young goalies who could potentially push for time.

I think CGY and VGK are likely to be the top teams out West this year.
 

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Who do you have out West? LAK is made of dinosaurs, SJS is too but their prospect pool is way worse than the Kings. The Ducks are riding on the health of Kessler, Getzlaf and Perry. I liked the moves ARI made this offseason, but I’ll believe it when I see it with them. Vancouver will be on the struggle bus. Edmonton still won’t be good.

Calgary made some good additions with Lindholm, Hanifin and Neal. They’ve got a solid core with Johnny Hockey and Monahan, and their D group is a clear strength. Mike Smith is still probably the best puck-moving goalie in the league, but whether he’s got enough gas in the tank for a deep playoff run is another question. I would believe he does, but they also have a strong stable of young goalies who could potentially push for time.

I think CGY and VGK are likely to be the top teams out West this year.
They west is a whole lot of Meh...tbh.

My guess....

SJS
VGN/LA/ANA

CAL/ARI
EDM
Van

I dont think the VGN are any better this year then they were last year, and that's if Pacioretty rebounds. Its possible but he didn't play in any worse of an environment then he had previously.

My only potential dark horse is Arizona...they were really good down the stretch
 

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Patches extends in Vegas- 4 years, 7 million AAV. Much better than I thought it would be for Vegas. Reasonable term and cap hit.
 

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Patches extends in Vegas- 4 years, 7 million AAV. Much better than I thought it would be for Vegas. Reasonable term and cap hit.
That makes the trade worth it IMO. I think Vegas needed to keep Patches. I'd go after Karlsson now and possibly Stone. They could be VERY hard to beat if they pulled those two away from Ottawa.
 

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Lol yeah they're not getting both. They may go after Karlsson but that's about it.
 

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I’m not even convinced Stone is going to leave. I think EK and Duchene are gone but I could see them paying Stone and him sticking around.
 
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