Around the League Thread | Playoffs Approaching Edition

[theguardianII]

I care less about supporting Benning, he's not even here.

But the inner nucleus of the core is still excellent to build around:

Pettersson23
Hughes 22
Demko26

I've watched the canucks since the 90s I don't remember having a star in all 3 positions and all 3 in their 20s.

Now having a great nucleus doesn't mean you have a a great team, but its a great start.

I think what the other poster is saying is we have a great nucleus to build around, and what you are saying is we need much more to become a great team and the farm is bare.

Both things can exist at the same time.

Demko was a Gillis regime pick as was most of the rest of that draft year. Benning had 3 weeks as the GM. The only selection of Benning was Virtanen and at that there was dissension, most scouts were holding out for Larkin

 

[ahmon]

Demko was a Gillis regime pick as was most of the rest of that draft year. Benning had 3 weeks as the GM. The only selection of Benning was Virtanen and at that there was dissension, most scouts were holding out for Larkin

Why does it matter who picked Demko?

do you even understand my post?

C Horvat.....19
D Tanev.......24
G Markstrom......24

Not all "stars" but Tanev was as good defensively as Hughes is offensively. One should be able to build around that.

I think you are strengthening my point, Horvat is not a star player.

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

C Horvat.....19
D Tanev.......24
G Markstrom......24

Not all "stars" but Tanev was as good defensively as Hughes is offensively.

Horvat wasn’t an impact player at the time,and Marky was a busting goalie who wouldn’t show up for another 4 years.

 

[bossram]

I care less about supporting Benning, he's not even here.

But the inner nucleus of the core is still excellent to build around:

Pettersson23
Hughes 22
Demko26

I've watched the canucks since the 90s I don't remember having a star in all 3 positions and all 3 in their 20s.

Now having a great nucleus doesn't mean you have a a great team, but its a great start.

I think what the other poster is saying is we have a great nucleus to build around, and what you are saying is we need much more to become a great team and the farm is bare.

Both things can exist at the same time.

No, Vancouver certainly does not have a great team.

Now, would I take Vancouver's "core-three" over something analogous from LA (e.g. Byfield, Clarke, Petersen)? Yes, obviously. The issue is though the Canucks have an "excellent core to build around", they have absolutely no resources to do any building with. The Canucks are in a position where they have to subtract from their roster just to manage the salary cap. They've had an annual draft pick deficit stretching the entire Benning era. They have one of the worst prospect pools in the league.

Meanwhile, LA is already improving, has tons of cap space, tons of prospects, and tons of draft pick capital. And they're using that to add impact players to the roster (e.g. Arvidsson, Fiala) as their core prospects mature.

Vancouver's core is better. But it will be a monumental task for Allvin to actually build a better team at this point.

 

[ahmon]

Why does it matter who picked Demko?

do you even understand my post?



I think you are strengthening my point, Horvat is not a star player.

 

[Hit the post]

I think you are strengthening my point, Horvat is not a star player.

I never said he was (in fact I stated as much). I merely stated you should be able to build around a guy who at least you can put in a defensive C role/situations (he's not great at it but there's ZERO chance you'd put EP in that role) along with a 24 year old Tanev & Markstrom.

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

No, Vancouver certainly does not have a great team.

Now, would I take Vancouver's "core-three" over something analogous from LA (e.g. Byfield, Clarke, Petersen)? Yes, obviously. The issue is though the Canucks have an "excellent core to build around", they have absolutely no resources to do any building with. The Canucks are in a position where they have to subtract from their roster just to manage the salary cap. They've had an annual draft pick deficit stretching the entire Benning era. They have one of the worst prospect pools in the league.

Meanwhile, LA is already improving, has tons of cap space, tons of prospects, and tons of draft pick capital. And they're using that to add impact players to the roster (e.g. Arvidsson, Fiala) as their core prospects mature.

Vancouver's core is better. But it will be a monumental task for Allvin to actually build a better team at this point.

This is fair..the Canucks have limited flexibility to improve their roster,and it’s going to be a tough spot to untangle the mess..

However,..It’s a lot harder to obtain star quality players,than it is to get yourself out of a salary cap problem..Imo

 

[bossram]

This is fair..the Canucks have limited flexibility to improve their roster,and it’s going to be a tough spot to untangle the mess..

However,..It’s a lot harder to obtain star quality players,than it is to get yourself out of a salary cap problem..Imo

Agree with the latter as well. But you often need liquid assets (picks/prospects) to buy your way out of salary cap problems, and again, the Canucks do not have much in the way of pick/prospect capital.

Even if they can juggle their cap situation, that would just leave them with roughly the same calibre of team they have now (more likely, they subtract from the roster to create cap space). And there are no foreseeable reinforcements coming from the prospect pool, and again, they won't have the flexibility to add any star-calibre talent via free agency or trade.

Meanwhile, LA just added a star-calibre player without detracting from the roster. And they have the assets to add more.

 

[Hit the post]

Agree with the latter as well. But you often need liquid assets (picks/prospects) to buy your way out of salary cap problems, and again, the Canucks do not have much in the way of pick/prospect capital.

Even if they can juggle their cap situation, that would just leave them with roughly the same calibre of team they have now (more likely, they subtract from the roster to create cap space). And there are no foreseeable reinforcements coming from the prospect pool, and again, they won't have the flexibility to add any star-calibre talent via free agency or trade.

Meanwhile, LA just added a star-calibre player without detracting from the roster. And they have the assets to add more.

7 years of mostly high draft positions (that you automatically get by not making the playoffs) isn't not enough time to accumulate prospects/picks/etc., like LA for example.

 

[bossram]

7 years of mostly high draft positions (that you automatically get by not making the playoffs) isn't not enough time to accumulate prospects/picks/etc., like LA for example.

Just ran out of time.

 

[ahmon]

No, Vancouver certainly does not have a great team.

Now, would I take Vancouver's "core-three" over something analogous from LA (e.g. Byfield, Clarke, Petersen)? Yes, obviously. The issue is though the Canucks have an "excellent core to build around", they have absolutely no resources to do any building with. The Canucks are in a position where they have to subtract from their roster just to manage the salary cap. They've had an annual draft pick deficit stretching the entire Benning era. They have one of the worst prospect pools in the league.

Meanwhile, LA is already improving, has tons of cap space, tons of prospects, and tons of draft pick capital. And they're using that to add impact players to the roster (e.g. Arvidsson, Fiala) as their core prospects mature.

Vancouver's core is better. But it will be a monumental task for Allvin to actually build a better team at this point.

how much capspace does LA have?
I see about 11 million on capfriendly.

And they still need to sign Kempe, Durzi, and others to fill in the roster, you think they still have capspace to add more impact players?

so they added Fiala, but Kopitar (their #1C) and Quick their #1 goalie is 34/36 years old. Meaning their players in key positions most likely regress.

I think LA might still have a better team than Vancouver in the short term but long term they lack high end quality - once Kopitar/quick leaves the game

And while they have quantity, the only center prospect that looks like he can potentially be a #1C is Byfield, all the Vilardi, Turcotte, Kupari don't look like they are even close. And personally I doubt Byfield becomes anywhere close to Kopitar.

IMO I don't see LA being a contender anytime soon. I don't get this romanticizing of the LA Kings.

 

[Hit the post]

LA unfortunately for them have to live with a number of "retirement contracts" as a result of winning the Grail vs some other team winning the participation trophy.

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

how much capspace does LA have?
I see about 11 million on capfriendly.

And they still need to sign Kempe, Durzi, and others to fill in the roster, you think they still have capspace to add more impact players?

so they added Fiala, but Kopitar (their #1C) and Quick their #1 goalie is 34/36 years old. Meaning their players in key positions most likely regress.

I think LA might still have a better team than Vancouver in the short term but long term they lack high end quality - once Kopitar/quick leaves the game

And while they have quantity, the only center prospect that looks like he can potentially be a #1C is Byfield, all the Vilardi, Turcotte, Kupari don't look like they are even close. And personally I doubt Byfield becomes anywhere close to Kopitar.

IMO I don't see LA being a contender anytime soon. I don't get this romanticizing of the LA Kings.

Good post..you’ve got to be able to draft and develop star players..Pretty tough to win a championship without them..

Looks like all that available cap space is going to disappear in a hurry as well.

 

[StreetHawk]

how much capspace does LA have?
I see about 11 million on capfriendly.

And they still need to sign Kempe, Durzi, and others to fill in the roster, you think they still have capspace to add more impact players?

so they added Fiala, but Kopitar (their #1C) and Quick their #1 goalie is 34/36 years old. Meaning their players in key positions most likely regress.

I think LA might still have a better team than Vancouver in the short term but long term they lack high end quality - once Kopitar/quick leaves the game

And while they have quantity, the only center prospect that looks like he can potentially be a #1C is Byfield, all the Vilardi, Turcotte, Kupari don't look like they are even close. And personally I doubt Byfield becomes anywhere close to Kopitar.

IMO I don't see LA being a contender anytime soon. I don't get this romanticizing of the LA Kings.

It says $12 mill on capfriendly with a 16 player roster despite them showing 18 players (so try like 6 elc guys) in the main section.

So if it’s 16 guys signed that is 7 players for the 23 man roster that they need to sign. Say $6 mill for 6 guys. Have $6 mill for 1 guy maybe pushing it to $6.5 to $7 mill depending on how inexpensive the other options are.

 

[ahmon]

It says $12 mill on capfriendly with a 16 player roster despite them showing 18 players (so try like 6 elc guys) in the main section.

So if it’s 16 guys signed that is 7 players for the 23 man roster that they need to sign. Say $6 mill for 6 guys. Have $6 mill for 1 guy maybe pushing it to $6.5 to $7 mill depending on how inexpensive the other options are.

And did you include Kempe?

we were talking about "adding" to the team they had last year.

 

[Scorvat]

No, Vancouver certainly does not have a great team.

Now, would I take Vancouver's "core-three" over something analogous from LA (e.g. Byfield, Clarke, Petersen)? Yes, obviously. The issue is though the Canucks have an "excellent core to build around", they have absolutely no resources to do any building with. The Canucks are in a position where they have to subtract from their roster just to manage the salary cap. They've had an annual draft pick deficit stretching the entire Benning era. They have one of the worst prospect pools in the league.

Meanwhile, LA is already improving, has tons of cap space, tons of prospects, and tons of draft pick capital. And they're using that to add impact players to the roster (e.g. Arvidsson, Fiala) as their core prospects mature.

Vancouver's core is better. But it will be a monumental task for Allvin to actually build a better team at this point.

Not just the Benning era

it stretches all the way to the Nonnis era. Essentially when Aqualini bought the team

 

[StreetHawk]

And did you include Kempe?

we were talking about "adding" to the team they had last year.

Nope forgot that he needed a deal. 35 go’s and 54 points probably nets him around the Fiala 1 year deal of $5.1 mill if it goes arbitration. That would then take LA to $7 mill left for 6 guys. So no big addition unless someone gets moved out.

Cap space can be deceiving if a team has players they need to re-sign. The $20 mil LA had a day or so ago kind of goes to nothing once you consider Kempe, the fiala deal and filling out a roster.

 

[ahmon]

Nope forgot that he needed a deal. 35 go’s and 54 points probably nets him around the Fiala 1 year deal of $5.1 mill if it goes arbitration. That would then take LA to $7 mill left for 6 guys. So no big addition unless someone gets moved out.

Cap space can be deceiving if a team has players they need to re-sign. The $20 mil LA had a day or so ago kind of goes to nothing once you consider Kempe, the fiala deal and filling out a roster.

And I doubt Durzi takes 1 million a year to play hockey. He came in and played on their #1 pp unit and was a key player down the stretch

 

[Vector]

 

[StreetHawk]

Man red wings social media team doing lalonde dirty with that photo. He turns 50 in August but he looks much older in that photo.

 

[Hit the post]

Man red wings social media team doing lalonde dirty with that photo. He turns 50 in August but he looks much older in that photo.

For a BRIEF moment, I thought that was Verne Troyer's brother.

 

[m9]

Yeah that's an awful pic. Definitely going for the "Danny Devito as the Penguin" vibe.

 

[Diversification]

Yeah that's an awful pic. Definitely going for the "Danny Devito as the Penguin" vibe.

It has a Sin City vibe to it with the red tie.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

Man red wings social media team doing lalonde dirty with that photo. He turns 50 in August but he looks much older in that photo.

He looks like actual death.

 

[PG Canuck]

LMFAOOOOO I’m in tears