Around the League Part 8: Welcome to the league Vegas, and Duchene discussion

[Svechhammer]

JJ can still play, and his style has a good chance of being a good fit there.

Jr has always been pretty good at the reclamation defense projects. Can’t argue with Shultz.

Yes, his reclamation and retread projects always work. Just ask David Tanabe, Oleg Tverdovsky, Tomas Kaberle, Sandis Ozolinsh....

 

[Unsustainable]

Skinner + Faulk + 2019 1st for ROR

I’d do it.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

With the goaltending in the state that it's in and what is available to address it, I think you only give up that 1st in a trade for a franchise player. There's way too much risk with moving that pick at this point.

 

[bleedgreen]

Yes, his reclamation and retread projects always work. Just ask David Tanabe, Oleg Tverdovsky, Tomas Kaberle, Sandis Ozolinsh....

Or ask Commodore, F Kaberle, A Ward, Schultz, Hainsey, Liles or right now Oleksiak...

 

[MinJaBen]

Skinner + Faulk + 2019 1st for ROR

I’d do it.

I wouldn’t. Change the pick to a 2nd and I’d consider it.

 

[Canes]

I wouldn’t. Change the pick to a 2nd and I’d consider it.

I'd do a conditional 1st if Buffalo added something decent.

 

[Unsustainable]

I'd do a conditional 1st if Buffalo added something decent.

2019 Conditional 1st (top 5 protected) becomes a 2020 1st?

 

[Stickpucker]

Hamilton
Faulk
TVR down the right is really good.

I like Pesce a lot and we don't know what Hamilton s chemistry will look like but I think I move him for ROR

Aho ROR tt
Mcginn Staal Williams
Ferland/JVR Necas Svec
Zykov Rask Checker

Slavin Hamilton
Ufa d Faulk
Fleury TVR

Lehner
Hutton/Mrazek
Darling....ahl?

 

[Stickpucker]

Above post we still have Skinner and can trade him for a LD.

 

[geehaad]

I think some are overvaluing Hamilton's defensive play. I hope you're right about that...

 

[Unsustainable]

Aho - Staal - TT
Ferland - ROR - Svechnikov
McGinn - Rask - Williams
Foegele - Martinook - PDG

Slavin - Hamilton
??? - Pesce
Fluery - TVR

 

[GoldiFox]

Hamilton
Faulk
TVR down the right is really good.

I like Pesce a lot and we don't know what Hamilton s chemistry will look like but I think I move him for ROR

Aho ROR tt
Mcginn Staal Williams
Ferland/JVR Necas Svec
Zykov Rask Checker

Slavin Hamilton
Ufa d Faulk
Fleury TVR

Lehner
Hutton/Mrazek
Darling....ahl?

Pesce is cost controlled at $4 million for 6 more years. If Faulk pulled everything together as a solid 2nd pairing RHD then he would be looking at $6-7 million 2 years from now. I don't see the Canes being willing to lose that cost certainty.

 

[bleedgreen]

You’d think it would take nothing short of a team changing player to get us to trade Pesce.

I love RoR but do we think he’s that guy? If deals around Skinner or Faulk aren’t enough then this deal passed us by when we traded Hanifin and Lindy.

 

[What the Faulk]

Skinner + Faulk + 2019 1st for ROR

I’d do it.

What kind of lunacy is this?

And if you're making this trade and slapping a conditional top 5 protection on it with the expectation you might suck because of it, they would be far better off trading both of those players individually and finding another O'Reilly elsewhere.

 

[Dishface]

Hamilton is a very good two way defenseman who puts up 40-50 points, which replaces Faulks need. Pesce shouldnt be going anywhere.

Edit:

 

[Sens1Canes2]

Skinner + Faulk + 2019 1st for ROR

I’d do it.

Eh? Wtf?

Does this ROR fellow score 100 points? I’m confused.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Hamilton is a very good two way forward who puts up 40-50 points, which replaces Faulks need. Pesce shouldnt be going anywhere.

Huh?

 

[Canes]

What kind of lunacy is this?

And if you're making this trade and slapping a conditional top 5 protection on it with the expectation you might suck because of it, they would be far better off trading both of those players individually and finding another O'Reilly elsewhere.

We could do better. But we could also do a lot worse, especially considering the NTCs Faulk and Skinner will both have soon. And if finding another O'Reilly elsewhere for cheaper was easy I'm sure we would have done it by now.

 

[The Faulker 27]

Hamilton is a very good two way forward who puts up 40-50 points, which replaces Faulks need. Pesce shouldnt be going anywhere.

Rewind.

 

[Dishface]

Huh?

I mean, he could be if he wanted to LAWL.

 

[What the Faulk]

We could do better. But we could also do a lot worse, especially considering the NTCs Faulk and Skinner will both have soon. And if finding another O'Reilly elsewhere for cheaper was easy I'm sure we would have done it by now.

They really can't do worse.

Ryan O'Reilly is a 60ish point center that has only once finished in the top 10 in Selke voting, and never higher than 6. He's not Patrice Bergeron. He's a good player, but that's a ridiculous offer.

And Skinner already has a NTC and Faulk's is limited to 15 teams. Even with those restraints, you could probably pretty easily trade both of them individually for a better return than O'Reilly, and then probably, if so inclined, use 80% of what you acquired and get a similar player while keeping your own first round pick.

 

[AD Skinner]

I wouldn't trade pesce for anyone except the Crosby/mcdavids of the world. Dude is the secret ingredient that unlocks the irreplaceable flavor of Slavin

 

[Canes]

And Skinner already has a NTC and Faulk's is limited to 15 teams. Even with those restraints, you could probably pretty easily trade both of them individually for a better return than O'Reilly, and then probably, if so inclined, use 80% of what you acquired and get a similar player while keeping your own first round pick.

I don't think we can "easily" do it or else we probably would have done it by now.

Like I said though, I'd only do if the Sabres added something decent to make it worthwile.

 

[What the Faulk]

I don't think we can "easily" do it or else we probably would have done it by now.

Realize where the "easily" was in that sentence. I don't think they're looking to trade either player for a package of assets. They want NHL players.

 

[ONO94]

Skinner + Faulk + 2019 1st for ROR

I’d do it.

Think about it this way. that trade is basically....2 x 2019 firsts, a 2020 first and 2 x decent prospects. Because Skinner, at some point before the trade deadline is worth a 2019 first and decent prospect, Faulk, who is a UFA in two seasons is worth about the same at the next trade deadline and then the Cane's first. As much as the Canes want/need centers--that seems a bit outlandish for Ryan O'Reilly.