Around the League Part 8: Welcome to the league Vegas, and Duchene discussion

[MinJaBen]

I repeat: it would be foolish to give up a 1st round pick given the current situation in goal.

Well, I wouldn’t give up OUR 1st round pick. But let’s say we trade Skinner to the Pens, a likely return is their 1st plus a prospect. I’d give their pick as part of a package. That would be very reasonable and looks possible.

Edit: Hell, if Sprong was the prospect, we could then just add our 2nd and meet the Sabres request.

 

[NotOpie]

Well, I wouldn’t give up OUR 1st round pick. But let’s say we trade Skinner to the Pens, a likely return is their 1st plus a prospect. I’d give their pick as part of a package. That would be very reasonable and looks possible.

Edit: Hell, if Sprong was the prospect, we could then just add our 2nd and meet the Sabres request.

Ding, ding, ding....we have a winner....

 

[GoldiFox]

Well, I wouldn’t give up OUR 1st round pick. But let’s say we trade Skinner to the Pens, a likely return is their 1st plus a prospect. I’d give their pick as part of a package. That would be very reasonable and looks possible.

Edit: Hell, if Sprong was the prospect, we could then just add our 2nd and meet the Sabres request.

Ding, ding, ding....we have a winner....

I don't see any trade where we give Pittsburgh a 30+ goal scorer (being generous - I think Skinner could hit 40+ on PIT) for a late 1st and a prospect a "winner". Canes can't afford to hand impact forwards to Pittsburgh for futures.

 

[NotOpie]

I don't see any trade where we give Pittsburgh a 30+ goal scorer (being generous - I think Skinner could hit 40+ on PIT) for a late 1st and a prospect a "winner". Canes can't afford to hand impact forwards to Pittsburgh for futures.

Add to this, you know that Dundon/Waddell were pissed when the whole "not trading Grubauer in the division" thing went down. No way they aren't using the same leverage.

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

So as Canes fan where do we hope Tavares ends up?

From a competition perspective, certainly San Jose. Having him out of division probably earns us ~2 more points against the Islanders than we would’ve gotten.

But from a roster perspective, if he ends up in Toronto I wonder if that makes us decent trade partners? Would it “unlock” a Faulk+ for Nylander trade? Cap-wise they would have to.

 

[My Special Purpose]

I don't see any trade where we give Pittsburgh a 30+ goal scorer (being generous - I think Skinner could hit 40+ on PIT) for a late 1st and a prospect a "winner". Canes can't afford to hand impact forwards to Pittsburgh for futures.

That's certainly worst case, but wouldn't you like to see Skinner on the on ice with Crosby or Malkin as an opponent? I think it hurts them both defensively, and if they spend shifts in their own end because Skinner can't win a board battle, that's a win for us. I think we're getting caught up in Skinner's positive aspects and not looking at the whole picture.

Plus, do you think Skinner will magically get better at using his teammates on another team? I'm not advocating a trade to Pittsburgh, but I'm not scared of it either. I look at him as a weakness to exploit as an opponent. Take the best deal, especially if it lands O'Reilly or a goalie.

 

[What the Faulk]

That's certainly worst case, but wouldn't you like to see Skinner on the on ice with Crosby or Malkin as an opponent? I think it hurts them both defensively, and if they spend shifts in their own end because Skinner can't win a board battle, that's a win for us. I think we're getting caught up in Skinner's positive aspects and not looking at the whole picture.

Plus, do you think Skinner will magically get better at using his teammates on another team? I'm not advocating a trade to Pittsburgh, but I'm not scared of it either. I look at him as a weakness to exploit as an opponent. Take the best deal, especially if it lands O'Reilly or a goalie.

It is amazing how warped the perception of Skinner's game has gotten to where you not only wouldn't be terrified of him on the ice with Crosby or Malkin, you'd "like to see" it.

 

[DaveG]

If he's back to the Skinner of 2 years ago that thought would absolutely petrify me. If it's the Skinner from the back half of last year then yeah bring that shit on.

edit: I'm willing to bet that in a contract year we're far more likely to see the former then the latter.

 

[AD Skinner]

Skinner as a penguin would set career highs in every category. I'd put money on it. I do not want to see him on that team in any way shape or form

 

[DougieSmash]

I don't see how our best goalscorer doesn't fit in that questionable lineup.

 

[A Star is Burns]

On the other hand, we're not likely directly competing with Pittsburgh for a spot. If we can find a way to get better from the deal, or at the very least the best deal with everything considered, Pittsburgh will likely beat up on the teams we're competing with just as much as us.

 

[My Special Purpose]

It is amazing how warped the perception of Skinner's game has gotten to where you not only wouldn't be terrified of him on the ice with Crosby or Malkin, you'd "like to see" it.

I'm more scared of whomever is there now, is my point. Skinner may be more talented than Conor Sheary, for example, (yes, I know, he got traded), but Skinner can be exploited.

 

[GoldiFox]

Green close to two-year contract with Red Wings: report

Mike Green close to re-signing with DET. Good for Faulk’s potential value.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

Detroit was one of the two rumored suitors, however. There isn't anything else on the market aside from Karlsson and potentially Trouba/Myers, but the team is running out of dance partners.

 

[MinJaBen]

The trades for Faulk and Skinner are going to be so underwhelming as it is, but yeah, let’s not trade them to teams we might play four times instead of two when there is interest. Skinner in Pittsburgh would have the potential to torch us a few times per year. But he also will be able to torch all the other Metro teams, too. If Pittsburgh is offering the best deal, take it.

 

[justafan22]

khudobin won't be back with boston....

 

[GoldiFox]

Detroit was one of the two rumored suitors, however. There isn't anything else on the market aside from Karlsson and potentially Trouba/Myers, but the team is running out of dance partners.

One of two teams according to who? Our own speculation due to Custance saying there was interest from a “team in the East with many RFAs”? Faulk is a top-4 RHD making $4.8 million, I’d be surprised if there weren’t a dozen decent offers. Just as Waddell just said they have received a number of ok and good offers for Skinner.

The Canes/Flames have made the only real player trade this offseason. Lots of teams want to make changes. Big Free Agents and July 1 signing bonuses are holding things up.

 

[Ole Gil]

So as Canes fan where do we hope Tavares ends up?

From a competition perspective, certainly San Jose. Having him out of division probably earns us ~2 more points against the Islanders than we would’ve gotten.

But from a roster perspective, if he ends up in Toronto I wonder if that makes us decent trade partners? Would it “unlock” a Faulk+ for Nylander trade? Cap-wise they would have to.

If Tavares is getting 12,000,000 or something in that neighborhood, I'd just assume he stay in the metro. At that number, I think he hurts more than he helps. He's only putting up PPG numbers in his good years. It's not like he's pushing 120 or playing any defense.

 

[Unsustainable]

If Tavares is getting 12,000,000 or something in that neighborhood, I'd just assume he stay in the metro. At that number, I think he hurts more than he helps. He's only putting up PPG numbers in his good years. It's not like he's pushing 120 or playing any defense.

I’m hoping for TO at 12m per, them trying to expand Matthews, Nylander, Marner (whose a tier below Aho), and others...

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

One of two teams according to who? Our own speculation due to Custance saying there was interest from a “team in the East with many RFAs”? Faulk is a top-4 RHD making $4.8 million, I’d be surprised if there weren’t a dozen decent offers. Just as Waddell just said they have received a number of ok and good offers for Skinner.

The Canes/Flames have made the only real player trade this offseason. Lots of teams want to make changes. Big Free Agents and July 1 signing bonuses are holding things up.

10 Thoughts: Bergevin looking to add centre, defenceman for Canadiens - Sportsnet.ca

See #4 for Detroit.

Chicago has been brought up up several different sources, national and local. I haven't seen anything linking other teams to him.

 

[GoldiFox]

10 Thoughts: Bergevin looking to add centre, defenceman for Canadiens - Sportsnet.ca

See #4 for Detroit.

Chicago has been brought up up several different sources, national and local. I haven't seen anything linking other teams to him.

Your article (from over a week ago):

4. Carolina is another to watch. It will be a surprise if the Hurricanes deal the second-overall selection. However, all eyes are on Jeff Skinner (add the Islanders and Penguins to the list of potential options), Justin Faulk (Detroit with interest) and Elias Lindholm. I’m not convinced the latter is getting dealt, but the team and agent are grinding each other over his next contract.

Doesn't seem to limit the # of teams to me. Just points out Detroit as a team who is in the running.

List of UFA RHD available: Bieksa, Fayne, Sustr, Schenn, Polak, Franson, Gryba, Folin

Not too pretty.

 

[NotOpie]

That's certainly worst case, but wouldn't you like to see Skinner on the on ice with Crosby or Malkin as an opponent? I think it hurts them both defensively, and if they spend shifts in their own end because Skinner can't win a board battle, that's a win for us. I think we're getting caught up in Skinner's positive aspects and not looking at the whole picture.

Plus, do you think Skinner will magically get better at using his teammates on another team? I'm not advocating a trade to Pittsburgh, but I'm not scared of it either. I look at him as a weakness to exploit as an opponent. Take the best deal, especially if it lands O'Reilly or a goalie.

Dave pretty much said what I was thinking as well...I'm not scared of him, but we really don't want to help Metro teams get significantly better. Offensively, Skinner's better than at least 8 of their current forwards. And again, ideally we're competing w/the Pens for a playoff spot, so do we really want to forget that :
1. Skinner's in a contract year...he's going to play his best hockey
2. Crosby and Malkin have a limited number of kicks at the can left, so adding Skinner's offense to that group isn't ideal
3. Does Pittsburgh play defense now

 

[Stickpucker]

What's interesting is with all the parity there seems to be a lot of turnover in playoffs teams but not so much in the metro.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Skinner getting exploited defensively, while scoring a hat trick, does not help us.

Pittsburgh killing the Metro, while winning all their games against us, does not help us.

 

[A Star is Burns]

However, us improving from the trade to do better against other teams, while Pittsburgh beats us and the other metro teams equally can help us.