Around the League 27: Why u do dis Dolan?

[To Be Determined]

if it came out that hasek was legitimately an actual jedi my first thought would be 'yep, that checks out'

 

[A Star is Burns]

So is Ned anything like Brodeur? I see they both handle the puck well. I imagine it makes the defense take less hits so they are happy. Are their any similarly between the two?

Completely unrelated but Sean Avery = all time great troll.

Their styles of play don't come off as that similar to me, but they were/are both great puckhandlers. Given the system the Devils played and the high-end nature of Brodeur handling the puck, they were darn near unbeatable at times. That's why some of our series wins against the Devils still stand out as so satisfying for me and the fact that we eventually seemed to almost have his number. There were times during the dump and chase years of limited talent Canes teams where you couldn't possibly play more into the hands of Marty and the Devils than dump it in and let him shoot it out or find an outlet. But we came out on top a lot eventually.

 

[bleedgreen]

So is Ned anything like Brodeur? I see they both handle the puck well. I imagine it makes the defense take less hits so they are happy. Are their any similarly between the two?

Completely unrelated but Sean Avery = all time great troll.

Not sure about that. Im still getting a feel for what Ned truly is, he's still getting settled. Ned does play the puck well but Brodeur was a whole other level. Teams had to start dumping it in cross corner because he would grab any puck that went behind him and kill the forecheck. It changed the flow of the game every night. As far as when he was in the net making saves his style was actually similar to Cam Ward. Just calm all the time, in the right position and one step ahead so he didnt have to make acrobatic saves frequently. Opposite of Hasek. Obviously a lot better at it than Ward was but they had similar mannerisms/ posture/calmness.

 

[AD Skinner]

Hasek was a player that was worth the price of admission all by himself. He was so unorthodox and so good, he would make a boring 2-1 affair entertaining as hell just with his amazing contortions

 

[A Star is Burns]

Not sure about that. Im still getting a feel for what Ned truly is, he's still getting settled. Ned does play the puck well but Brodeur was a whole other level. Teams had to start dumping it in cross corner because he would grab any puck that went behind him and kill the forecheck. It changed the flow of the game every night. As far as when he was in the net making saves his style was actually similar to Cam Ward. Just calm all the time, in the right position and one step ahead so he didnt have to make acrobatic saves frequently. Opposite of Hasek. Obviously a lot better at it than Ward was but they had similar mannerisms/ posture/calmness.

I agree with the comparison to a significantly better Cam Ward style (though obviously the other way around). Marty did play a bit of a hybrid butterfly and stand-up style as I recall. Probably just part of the time he came up where he was comfortable doing a bit of both.

 

[bleedgreen]

I agree with the comparison to a significantly better Cam Ward style (though obviously the other way around). Marty did play a bit of a hybrid butterfly and stand-up style as I recall. Probably just part of the time he came up where he was comfortable doing a bit of both.

Yeah, Ward looked up to Brodeur and tried to emulate a bit. Marty definitely had some butterfly going on, that was the rage for the Quebec goalies back then. Butterfly and keep the back straight so you stay tall in the net. Ward never had the quickest feet for that style. His mentality was the closest in style, Marty was unflappable, at least until he got older.

 

[hblueridgegal]

Nice to see the Canes atop the Metro.

 

[The Stranger]

Thought experiment: Brodeur played for the Canes from 2005-2019 instead of the Devils in the 90's and aughts. How well is Brodeur regarded in this scenario...major factor changes being team in front and implementation of the trapezoid negating a major strength.

Also, I've seen complaints about the NBC/CNBC commentators, but have to admit I have enjoyed Mleczko...she's not polished but her analysis is good IMO.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Nice to see the Canes atop the Metro.

The Canes would play Boston or Islanders first round? Oh my. Although Boston would have more points than the Islanders with Detroit and Ottawa in the division. Pacific is still awful. That is why I think Seattle doesn’t do a ton of cap dumps but goes for the best team possible. Even a half decent team makes the playoffs in the pacific

 

[A Star is Burns]

Thought experiment: Brodeur played for the Canes from 2005-2019 instead of the Devils in the 90's and aughts. How well is Brodeur regarded in this scenario...major factor changes being team in front and implementation of the trapezoid negating a major strength.

Also, I've seen complaints about the NBC/CNBC commentators, but have to admit I have enjoyed Mleczko...she's not polished but her analysis is good IMO.

It's the same for many goalies to a degree, but there's no doubt that Brodeur benefitted from a couple of HOF dmen and a system for many of his best years that suffocated you and played to his strengths as mentioned. I think he's an all-time great, but I have him below Roy and Hasek at least as far as guys he overlapped with and I saw a lot. Maybe you could make an argument for some other guys in that time and almost certainly some old school guys even if the numbers wouldn't look good in those eras.

 

[tarheelhockey]

So is Ned anything like Brodeur? I see they both handle the puck well. I imagine it makes the defense take less hits so they are happy. Are their any similarly between the two?

Completely unrelated but Sean Avery = all time great troll.

The puckhandling is similar. Ned is very good as a puckhandler and 25 years ago he would have stood out even more as that was a relatively rare attribute for a goalie. Beyond simply bring good at stopping pucks, one of the things that Brodeur really brought to the table was his excellent skating and puckhandling which made it very hard to chip pucks over the aggressive Devils defense. Pre-trapezoid, he would just skate out and flip it right back to a teammate... dump-ins were effectively turnovers. Ned has the same ability to really mess with a forecheck in that way, even in spite of the trapezoid.

Brodeur had a pretty distinctive style so I wouldn’t compare him to Ned outside of the stickhandling.

Also kinda crazy how late his career started agewise.

Hasek was very good in Czechoslovakia before he came to the NHL, and upon making the jump he got buried behind a Vezina-winning first ballot HOF’er. It’s one of those things where it looks ugly on paper but the actual story wasn’t so bad, just circumstantially he didn’t get a chance to show his stuff till his late 20s.

 

[A Star is Burns]

The puckhandling is similar. Ned is very good as a puckhandler and 25 years ago he would have stood out even more as that was a relatively rare attribute for a goalie. Beyond simply bring good at stopping pucks, one of the things that Brodeur really brought to the table was his excellent skating and puckhandling which made it very hard to chip pucks over the aggressive Devils defense. Pre-trapezoid, he would just skate out and flip it right back to a teammate... dump-ins were effectively turnovers. Ned has the same ability to really mess with a forecheck in that way, even in spite of the trapezoid.

Brodeur had a pretty distinctive style so I wouldn’t compare him to Ned outside of the stickhandling.



Hasek was very good in Czechoslovakia before he came to the NHL, and upon making the jump he got buried behind a Vezina-winning first ballot HOF’er. It’s one of those things where it looks ugly on paper but the actual story wasn’t so bad, just circumstantially he didn’t get a chance to show his stuff till his late 20s.

I know that. I just mean he had a really amazing and long career in spite of the late start as far as the NHL guys goes.

 

[DaveG]

I was wondering if you guys could tell me about Hasek when he played. I am going to watch some videos of his but what made him at least top 3 goalie ever?

Dude was Gumby, with the reaction time of a WW2 ace fighter pilot, the dominance of prime Pedro Martinez, the "I don't care I do what I want" of Pablo Escobar or Cartman, and the flair of Rene Higuita. He didn't just shut you down, he beat you and demoralized you in ways that no goalie ever had before SIMPLY BECAUSE HE WANTED TO.

So is Ned anything like Brodeur? I see they both handle the puck well. I imagine it makes the defense take less hits so they are happy. Are their any similarly between the two?

Completely unrelated but Sean Avery = all time great troll.

No, Brodeur was straight up butterfly with positioning that seemingly never had him out of position, Ned is far more unorthodox although his reads are similarly excellent. Ned is probably more like Turco or prime Barrasso (minus being a complete asshole to the other goalies on his team).

 

[HisIceness]

At this point JD should just put down his roots in Columbus if he hasn't already.

 

[cptjeff]

Dude was Gumby, with the reaction time of a WW2 ace fighter pilot, the dominance of prime Pedro Martinez, the "I don't care I do what I want" of Pablo Escobar or Cartman, and the flair of Rene Higuita. He didn't just shut you down, he beat you and demoralized you in ways that no goalie ever had before SIMPLY BECAUSE HE WANTED TO.


No, Brodeur was straight up butterfly with positioning that seemingly never had him out of position, Ned is far more unorthodox although his reads are similarly excellent. Ned is probably more like Turco or prime Barrasso (minus being a complete asshole to the other goalies on his team).

Brodeur was a hybrid style goalie who routinely stacked his pads and made kick saves, while still spending a lot of time in the butterfly. He was absolutely not a straight up butterfly goalie. No idea how you can say that- for the latter years of his career (after Hasek retired) he was notable for being effectively only real non-butterfly goalie in the league.

The only other goalie I can remember watching who played that style was Cam Ward, who actually shifted more explicitly to that style around halfway through his career because it worked better with how his body was wearing. Well, and the fact that he always idolized Brodeur didn't hurt. But Cam was still more of a butterfly guy.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

Nice to see the Canes atop the Metro.

I honestly don't think we'd have done nearly as well if we faced mostly the Metro like a normal year. No matter how good or bad either team is, we always seem to struggle against like 90% of that division.

 

[NotOpie]

I honestly don't think we'd have done nearly as well if we faced mostly the Metro like a normal year. No matter how good or bad either team is, we always seem to struggle against like 90% of that division.

That was then. This is now.

 

[dogbazinho]

Yeah glad to be out of the Metro this year but glad to be going back. At some point the Pens and Caps have to slow right?

 

[Blueline Bomber]

Yeah glad to be out of the Metro this year but glad to be going back. At some point the Pens and Caps have to slow right?

They're not who I worry about. If we lose to them, whatever. It's usually because one of Crosby, Malkin, OV, whoever took over the game.

It's the usual play against NYR or Philly, teams they should (on paper) be better than, yet always seem to **** the bed against.

And that was before the Rangers suddenly had every superstar player thrown at their feet.

 

[HisIceness]

The Flyers make the playoffs every even-numbered year, but maybe they don't next season.

NYR I thought for sure was on the way up, guess not.

Islanders I expect will be tough.

 

[Identity404]

Nice to see the Canes atop the Metro.

That pacific division is a joke

 

[tarheelhockey]

They're not who I worry about. If we lose to them, whatever. It's usually because one of Crosby, Malkin, OV, whoever took over the game.

It's the usual play against NYR or Philly, teams they should (on paper) be better than, yet always seem to **** the bed against.

And that was before the Rangers suddenly had every superstar player thrown at their feet.

To me the tough thing about the Metro is that none of them ever seem to really bottom out. Even the weaker teams are usually just mediocre also-rans, not full-on tire fires. Now that the Canes are good, I guess the long term weak sister is going to be Columbus? And that's an organization that has a culture of being, if nothing else, tough to play against.

 

[Socks]

To me the tough thing about the Metro is that none of them ever seem to really bottom out. Even the weaker teams are usually just mediocre also-rans, not full-on tire fires. Now that the Canes are good, I guess the long term weak sister is going to be Columbus? And that's an organization that has a culture of being, if nothing else, tough to play against.

We may be weak but we can still give you a nasty wedgie AND we know all your secrets.

 

[hblueridgegal]

edit: Hmmm..they deleted their ratings increase data tweet



Pay those bills.

As an aside..the brand upswing in the Canes' TV advertising this season has been notable. Just think if more streamers were also in on the viewing.

I imagine they'll give Marley Girl a hometown rate card discount if prices get too steep. Imagine the outcry if that ad was priced out.

 

[Joe McGrath]

I’m late to the Hasek talk but I’ll always remember his first game against the Whalers with the Blackhawks. Gerry Cheevers (former Bruins goalie)was the color commentator and he would not let up about Hasek being terrible and his style wouldn’t work. By the end of the game, I’m pretty sure it was a shutout, he was just dumbfounded. He said something along the lines of, I don’t know how he did it, but he did.