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Around the League 27: Why u do dis Dolan?

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HisIceness

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Oh no, you're gonna have to meet for a fight behind Bojangles first.
 
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can't properly quote the post in the old thread so tagging you in this one

Yep, you're right, it was a game misconduct and not a match penalty. Thanks for correcting that.
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Even at that, not a gamer but a 10-min. He came back and played in that same game.

OK, so if it comes down to the slam, is the distinction then whether Panarin was actively choosing to engage/fight Wilson, or whether he was just trying to tie him up?

The examples you linked are players getting slammed in the course of play and were not willing combatants.

If two guys square off, it's fairly common for one to end up slamming the other to the ice.

But if there's a scrum and someone comes in to tie up and calm things down, of course it would be out of bounds to get slammed for that as said player would not necessarily be a willing combatant.
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The way I would put it is, look at the totality of that sequence. It starts with a hard slash after the whistle, and then he shifts focus to punching a prone Buchnevich in the back of the head (all of which is scummy but kind of a "whatever" event IMO if it ends there). That escalates a dead play into a dogpile where he comes out and starts throwing gloved punches. At that point, you know a teammate is going to have to intervene, and as soon as that happens he pivots to slamming that helmetless guy head-first to the ice, then getting up and trying to slam him face-first on the second attempt. Presumably Panarin was injured in the ensuing mayhem after Rangers teammates piled onto him again to try and get him to stop.

The totality of that sequence isn't about this-or-that single action. It's about a guy being completely unhinged on the ice, in a completely non-hockey way. He's not out there to send a message, he's out there to injure opponents and he did it successfully in that case.

If that doesn't reach the standard of suspendable misconduct, what does? I mean do we really want to see the next chapter in how it escalates from here? We really OK with what that means for guys like Aho and Hamilton who are the core of our Cup aspirations? Or what it means for guys like Geekie and Bean who get jettisoned for "character" players in the ensuing arms race?
 
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So butt end of the stick to the exposed neck has less of a chance to cripple someone for life than whatever Wilson does? That was pretty recent...

Agreed he can still pull the dangerous crap, he just doesn’t do it (that I’ve seen) as often anymore as Wilson. And sadly he also tended to get away with BS like that.

2019 playoffs for that one (I think?) so nearly two years without something similar. So it can’t really be that much of a surprise that he doesn’t get as much of the pile on anymore.
 
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Navin R Slavin

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tarheelhockey said:
@The Stranger
can't properly quote the post in the old thread so tagging you in this one



Even at that, not a gamer but a 10-min. He came back and played in that same game.




The way I would put it is, look at the totality of that sequence. It starts with a hard slash after the whistle, and then he shifts focus to punching a prone Buchnevich in the back of the head (all of which is scummy but kind of a "whatever" event IMO if it ends there). That escalates a dead play into a dogpile where he comes out and starts throwing gloved punches. At that point, you know a teammate is going to have to intervene, and as soon as that happens he pivots to slamming that helmetless guy head-first to the ice, then getting up and trying to slam him face-first on the second attempt. Presumably Panarin was injured in the ensuing mayhem after Rangers teammates piled onto him again to try and get him to stop.

The totality of that sequence isn't about this-or-that single action. It's about a guy being completely unhinged on the ice, in a completely non-hockey way. He's not out there to send a message, he's out there to injure opponents and he did it successfully in that case.

If that doesn't reach the standard of suspendable misconduct, what does? I mean do we really want to see the next chapter in how it escalates from here? We really OK with what that means for guys like Aho and Hamilton who are the core of our Cup aspirations? Or what it means for guys like Geekie and Bean who get jettisoned for "character" players in the ensuing arms race?
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Exactly this.

Like I said before: this game is plenty physical without all the bullshit. Enforce the rules, do it fairly and firmly, and fine/suspend liberally for non-hockey plays and hits to the head.

It's just not that f***ing hard, and "but hockey has always been this way" and "let the players enforce themselves" is bullshit and doesn't cut it anymore.
 
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