Around the League 27: Why u do dis Dolan?

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Stickpucker

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While there's definitely some truth to that, there's also the fact that the team lacks talent, lost their best player to injury, and their starting goalie was in and out of the line-up. That's on the GM and ownership for not putting together a team with enough talent (or the right talent).

We've been there as a team in the not too distant past. We went a long time with insufficient talent and a team that lacked an identity. That's what I see in Buffalo. A collection of parts with no real team identity and lack of talent.

c'mon man. Bobby Sangs, Joe Covo, the great Anton are all there for the taking. Imagine what that would do.......

they just need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps and want it!!!!
 

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Interesting but more clutter
 

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Still seems like total bullshit that Tampa expects Kucherov to play game 1. While the injury and surgery were legit, you can't convince me that he's magically ready for game one, but wasn't for some of these previous games.
 

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I mean, as someone who was livid with Hossa's "allergic to the jersey" nonsense (and right around the time he stopped making real money too, what a coincidence!), I don't see the problem with what Tampa did with Kucherov. He was injured and they couldn't bring him back because they didn't have the cap space. I'm sure they'd have loved to have him during the regular season, for one he wouldn't be going into the playoffs from a ten month break from hockey, for two they probably would have had a better shot at the division and would be now be facing Nashville/Dallas rather than Florida/Carolina.
 

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I mean, as someone who was livid with Hossa's "allergic to the jersey" nonsense (and right around the time he stopped making real money too, what a coincidence!), I don't see the problem with what Tampa did with Kucherov. He was injured and they couldn't bring him back because they didn't have the cap space. I'm sure they'd have loved to have him during the regular season, for one he wouldn't be going into the playoffs from a ten month break from hockey, for two they probably would have had a better shot at the division and would be now be facing Nashville/Dallas rather than Florida/Carolina.
If a guy is eligible for the regular season but is held out because of cap reasons then he is supposed to be ineligible for the playoffs. That is the shady part.

the nhl has zero testicular fortitude and wouldn’t do that to a superstar but it doesn’t make it any less crappy.
 
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If a guy is eligible for the regular season but is held out because of cap reasons then he is supposed to be ineligible for the playoffs. That is the shady part.

the nhl has zero testicular fortitude and wouldn’t do that to a superstar but it doesn’t make it any less crappy.
Yup. Again, it's fine that it was a legit injury and surgery. But pretty clear cap circumvention to hold him out exactly that amount of timeand kept them from making difficult decisions. That's a competitive advantage in my mind. He can play like dog crap and it's still unfair to me.
 
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If a guy is eligible for the regular season but is held out because of cap reasons then he is supposed to be ineligible for the playoffs. That is the shady part.

Is this actually against the CBA, or are you saying it's something they shouldn't be allowed to do? Not trying to be a dick, if you show me in the CBA where this isn't allowed I'll quickly change my opinion on this.

@mouser @Lempo
 
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What did Tampa do with Kucherov's LTIR? $5 mil was consumed by Tyler Johnson. The flexibility allowed Tampa to go a bit longer for a bit more money with Cernak, Cirelli and Sergachev.

Those benefits, potentially giving up less to get another team to take on Johnson's contract and cap spaced saved in future years by locking in some savings, help the organization moving forward If it makes the 20-21 team better than the alternative is a question mark.
 

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Is this actually against the CBA, or are you saying it's something they shouldn't be allowed to do? Not trying to be a dick, if you show me in the CBA where this isn't allowed I'll quickly change my opinion on this.
CBA rule. Im trying to find the exact verbiage but here is an excerpt from an Athletic article:

'The Lightning aren’t going to risk anything with Kucherov, a franchise player who is signed for six more years. BriseBois said Kucherov will be the team’s biggest trade deadline acquisition. But they also have to expect that he won’t be at an MVP level right away. Players say it can take a year or longer for them to return to pre-surgery peak performance. Point was the perfect example, crediting the extended pandemic pause after last season with giving him enough time to train and “get back to feeling good.”
What if Kucherov is a quick healer and is ready to return before the playoffs? The Lightning would have to make salary-cap room to add him to the roster; otherwise he’d be ineligible to play in the postseason.
A league source said the NHL has the authority to review medical records, consult with team doctors and conduct their own medical examination using independent doctors to establish a player’s medical condition if he’s fit to play. But you have to imagine the NHLPA would get involved if such a case arose where a player’s eligibility was in question.

The Kucherov situation evoked memories of Patrick Kane in 2015. Kane suffered a broken collarbone in late February, with the initial prognosis not having him returning until the second round or so. But Kane was ready for Game 1 of the first round, leading the Blackhawks in goals (11) and points (23) on their run to win the Stanley Cup.'
 

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Is this actually against the CBA, or are you saying it's something they shouldn't be allowed to do? Not trying to be a dick, if you show me in the CBA where this isn't allowed I'll quickly change my opinion on this.

@mouser @Lempo

I suppose the "Bona Fide" is supposed to mean that the LTIR Exception is not to be abused, and the Paragraph do have the League measure set for a case where abuse is suspected. But.

CBA 50.10 said:
(d) Bona-Fide Long-Term Injury/Illness Exception to the Upper Limit. In the event that a Player on a Club becomes unfit to play (i.e., is injured, ill or disabled and unable to perform his duties as a hockey Player) such that the Club's physician believes, in his or her opinion, that the Player, owing to either an injury or an illness, will be unfit to play for at least (i) twenty-four (24) calendar days and (ii) ten (10) NHL Regular Season games, and such Club desires to replace such Player, the Club may add an additional Player or Players to its Active Roster, and the replacement Player Salary and Bonuses of such additional Player(s) may increase the Club's Averaged Club Salary to an amount up to and exceeding the Upper Limit, solely as, and to the extent and for the duration, set forth below. If, however, the League wishes to challenge the determination of a Club physician that a Player is unfit to play for purposes of the Bona-Fide Long-Term Injury/Illness Exception, the League and the NHLPA shall promptly confer and jointly select a neutral physician, who shall review the Club physician's determination regarding the Player's fitness to play.

Obviously it's the timing of the green light right at the beginning of playoffs what is the issue here.

I can't find a direct thing that would say anything about the playoffs eligibility of a regular season injured player, nor do I expect there to be anything direct about it in the CBA.

The iffy bit is, that by the rule above the League can only clallenge the team physician's determination that a player is unfit. That window kind of possibly closes when he's deemed fit. Though I guess such an determination for unfitness could be challenged even afterwards, if there is a miracle healing right when the benefit from the exception ends and playoffs begin.

CBA 26.3 about Circumvention obviously would be usable IF the League wanted to throw a book at a club. But is it very likely, I think not.
 
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'Sota went up 3-0 at the end of 1 and decided they didn't want to play anymore Hockey for the rest of the night.
 

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Still seems like total bullshit that Tampa expects Kucherov to play game 1. While the injury and surgery were legit, you can't convince me that he's magically ready for game one, but wasn't for some of these previous games.

I don't like it, but it's not like it's some loophole. Any other team in the league could've done the same thing. I bet if Waddell had known Turbo was going to be out for basically the whole year he would've done it too (or at least considered it).
 

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I don't like it, but it's not like it's some loophole. Any other team in the league could've done the same thing. I bet if Waddell had known Turbo was going to be out for basically the whole year he would've done it too (or at least considered it).
Yes, but this time it was they and not us, and they oughta be punished.
 

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My preferred outcomes...

East
NYI over PIT
WAS over BOS
NYI over WAS

West
COL over STL
VGK over MIN
COL over VGK

Central
CAR over NAS
FLA over TB
CAR over FLA

North
MTL over TOR
WPG over EDM
WPG over MTL

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COL over WPG
CAR over NYI

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CAR over COL

The league would absolutely hate it
I don't think anybody wants to play the Wild right now, certainly not Vegas who lost the season series 3-5 with 2 of their wins going to OT.
 
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