Around the League 2020-21 part 2 *Insert funny thread title here* edition

[Lt Dan]

But this all started with you suggesting that Linden was the best Canuck in history.

I never said that he was the best.
I said he was the greatest. And I define greatness as his role in leading that '94 team. It all starts at the top and Linden was the consummate captain during that run.
He did everyone a leader should do. The 94 Canucks have 7 vs the 2011 game 7s are a prime and clear cut example of the leadership differences between those two squads.
The sexier team passed the eye test better but the lower skilled better led team came closer to the ultimate prize and almost came back from a 3-1 deficit in the SCF

 

[bland]

Kopitar was the best player in the 2012 run and should have won the Conn Smythe. Maybe Brown.

2012:
Doughty
Quick
Brown
Richards
Kopitar

2014:
Williams
Doughty
Gaborik
Kopitar

There has only ever - ever - been one playoff series in which Kopitar was the Kings best player and that was the first round in 2014.

 

[Lt Dan]

2012:
Doughty
Quick
Brown
Richards
Kopitar

2014:
Williams
Doughty
Gaborik
Kopitar

There has only ever - ever - been one playoff series in which Kopitar was the Kings best player and that was the first round in 2014.

I mostly agree with this, but dude Quick stole top many games and series in 2012 .

Also, I think that doughtys role in both cups have been downplayed by many, but you are guilty of overplaying his role here

 

[MarkusNaslund19]

I never said that he was the best.
I said he was the greatest. And I define greatness as his role in leading that '94 team. It all starts at the top and Linden was the consummate captain during that run.
He did everyone a leader should do. The 94 Canucks have 7 vs the 2011 game 7s are a prime and clear cut example of the leadership differences between those two squads.
The sexier team passed the eye test better but the lower skilled better led team came closer to the ultimate prize and almost came back from a 3-1 deficit in the SCF

But this whole idea seems to be based on your vague sense of narrative for a dressing room that I can only assume that you weren't in, and for a team that I doubt you watched regularly.

The 2011 team was missing Malhotra, Hamhuis, etc etc. Kesler was playing with a torn labrum on his hip, Ehrhoff was severely injured, Edler was severely injured, Raymond's back was broken. This whole narrative ends up being bullshit that they 'lacked leadership', when it wouldn't exist with a couple less injuries or a couple more bounces.

 

[deeshamrock]

Ouch

 

[Lt Dan]

But this whole idea seems to be based on your vague sense of narrative for a dressing room that I can only assume that you weren't in, and for a team that I doubt you watched regularly.

The 2011 team was missing Malhotra, Hamhuis, etc etc. Kesler was playing with a torn labrum on his hip, Ehrhoff was severely injured, Edler was severely injured, Raymond's back was broken. This whole narrative ends up being bullshit that they 'lacked leadership', when it wouldn't exist with a couple less injuries or a couple more bounces.

Never assume.
I'll been a hockey fan for than longer your admitted time and saw plenty of games.

The 2011 team shit the bed in game 7 and lost in 5 to an 8th seed the next year. That's on the captain.
Need I remind you that Linden had a multi point effort in his game 7

 

[YP44]

All of what I said, by the way, is not to discredit Stanley Cup champions. If you win the cup, you are a Stanley Cup winner, period.
But fans who believe that 'there is 1 team that has a good season and 30 losers' are out to lunch. There are so many variables that cannot be controlled for. You just build the best team you can, and do whatever you can to give them the best possible chance for a number of years.

For a long time, I used to commiserate with Kings fans as long time losers on the westcoast.
Now, it just gets lonelier for Canucks fans.

You will get Seattle soon. Just hope they don't take off like Vegas otherwise you will have their "fans" talking down to you.

 

[MarkusNaslund19]

Never assume.
I'll been a hockey fan for than longer your admitted time and saw plenty of games.

The 2011 team shit the bed in game 7 and lost in 5 to an 8th seed the next year. That's on the captain.
Need I remind you that Linden had a multi point effort in his game 7

"That's on the captain" is just narrative driven b.s.
You're disregarding a bunch of injuries. Also, I said I doubted you watched much of the Canucks since they weren't your team. My 'assumption' was that you weren't in the 94 Canucks' dressing room.
That 2011 team had literally nothing to do with being a 'failure of leadership', that team lost Malhotra who was their matchup center. He had freed Kesler to be the 2nd offensive gunner after the Sedin line. So we had to use Kesler as a matchup guy. Then Kesler got horribly hurt in the conference finals.
We had no number 1 D, but had like 4 number 2 D. All of them were hurt. Hamhuis was the most essential one and he got hurt hipchecking Lucic.
I'm probably boring Kings fans who want to talk about what happened in New Jersey or Boston currently, so I'll stop. I disagree with you, vehemently. Perhaps I should leave it there.

 

[deeshamrock]

 

[Lt Dan]

"That's on the captain" is just narrative driven b.s.
You're disregarding a bunch of injuries. Also, I said I doubted you watched much of the Canucks since they weren't your team. My 'assumption' was that you weren't in the 94 Canucks' dressing room.
That 2011 team had literally nothing to do with being a 'failure of leadership', that team lost Malhotra who was their matchup center. He had freed Kesler to be the 2nd offensive gunner after the Sedin line. So we had to use Kesler as a matchup guy. Then Kesler got horribly hurt in the conference finals.
We had no number 1 D, but had like 4 number 2 D. All of them were hurt. Hamhuis was the most essential one and he got hurt hipchecking Lucic.
I'm probably boring Kings fans who want to talk about what happened in New Jersey or Boston currently, so I'll stop. I disagree with you, vehemently. Perhaps I should leave it there.

you probably should

 

[MarkusNaslund19]

you probably should

A far more magnanimous reply would have been "perhaps we should", since it was a conversation, not a monologue. Anyhow, I enjoy chatting hockey, so thanks for that chat.

 

[Lt Dan]

A far more magnanimous reply would have been "perhaps we should", since it was a conversation, not a monologue. Anyhow, I enjoy chatting hockey, so thanks for that chat.

you probably should

 

[MarkusNaslund19]

you probably should

Ah, so you were a waste of my time. I gave you the benefit of the doubt but..c'est la vie.
Well, thanks to the other Kings fans for the chat.

 

[jfont]

This looks like a Putin MO

 

[Sleeping Dog]

Ouch

Looks like he took a shot from Toff off his face.

 

[YP44]

CRAZY STUFF

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

This thread has gotten more than a little weird.

 

[deeshamrock]

This looks like a Putin MO

Yup, Panarin is an outspoken critic of Putin's and the accuser is an excoach who by some accounts, disliked him and has badmouthed him for years.

Artemi Panarin takes leave of absence from Rangers after allegations of 2011 assault

The source of the story, Andrei Nazarov, is a former head coach of Panarin's in the KHL and is a noted and staunch supporter of Russian President Vladimir Putin.

 

[Steve Zissou]

This tweet is.... a tad concerning. This is one of those the dude may not be coming back kind of warning.

 

[kingsholygrail]

So it's a coach that's accusing him and not a victim?

 

[Bandit]

So it's a coach that's accusing him and not a victim?

Looks that way. What a weird situation.

 

[BigKing]

Nazarov was one of the biggest pieces of shit to play during his time and a YT search shows him trying to hit a fan with a stick during his time as a coach in the KHL.

Complete thug so the source of the accusation is extremely questionable.

 

[kingsholygrail]

Nazarov was one of the biggest pieces of shit to play during his time and a YT search shows him trying to hit a fan with a stick during his time as a coach in the KHL.

Complete thug so the source of the accusation is extremely questionable.

lol It's more likely he punched the girl.

 

[Ollie Weeks]

lol It's more likely he punched the girl.

I’m pretty sure a victim will magically appear after a little more criticism and scrutiny. Either because it’s legit, or because they finished their audition process.

 

[KingsFan7824]

Now that's some drama. Even going into hiding.