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Thought it might be nice to consolidate the discussion about potential trades, contract extensions, etc. to its own thread so here it is.
which is why I think we need to start getting Davies and Allard spot duty some this season.Went through and looked a bit more in depth at out cap situation for next season and thought I would share. Here is what the situation is if you assume we let Grimaldi, Salomaki, Hamhuis, Weber, Irwin, and one of Granlund or Smith leave:
Forsberg-Duchene-(Granlund/Smith)
Tolvanen-Johansen-Arvidsson
Jarnkrok-Turris-Pitlick
(Watson)-Bonino-Sissons
(Josi)-Ellis
Ekholm-Fabbro
Davies-Allard
Reserves: Trenin, Carrier
If you assume a cap increase of $2 million like last season that would leave you with $19,637,025 to sign Josi, Watson, and either Granlund or Smith. If we assume Josi gets $9-9.5mil then you have essentially $10-10.5 million for Watson and Granlund/Smith which should be do-able. If the cap stays stagnant which is a pretty real possibility things start getting really tight. Regardless, in this situation you're looking at needing to have four players with as of yet little to no NHL experience being regulars in the lineup, which doesn't make me particularly comfortable. Thought this might be an interesting starting point for discussions about how the team should be structuring itself looking forward.
which is why I think we need to start getting Davies and Allard spot duty some this season.
Yeah, lot of money for a guy that doesn't create a whole lot on his own and seems dependent on linemates for production, though still a pretty small sample size. Would rather keep Smith for $2-$3M per year less.I like Watson and I am fine signing him, but in no way should he command a real chunk of money. I would be ok with getting Trenin more minutes to start moving towards that role if needed.
I still haven't seen enough from Granlund to garner the probable 6.5+ million he will be asking for. I see Josi as the only MUST sign with our current set up and Smith as the 2nd preference just from my point of view. Would also say that Smith isn't a guy that I would over pay. If he wants to be here and gives us a fair price that is fine.
at this point, I'm hoping one of the kids can replae them.Yeah, lot of money for a guy that doesn't create a whole lot on his own and seems dependent on linemates for production, though still a pretty small sample size. Would rather keep Smith for $2-$3M per year less.
Yeah, lot of money for a guy that doesn't create a whole lot on his own and seems dependent on linemates for production, though still a pretty small sample size. Would rather keep Smith for $2-$3M per year less.
Yeah, lot of money for a guy that doesn't create a whole lot on his own and seems dependent on linemates for production, though still a pretty small sample size. Would rather keep Smith for $2-$3M per year less.
I still get scared when I discover that the Weber/Hamhuis/Irwin combo is on the ice. I’m old enough that my wife and I are forced to TV for the games after 15 or 16 years in 314; so it is a sudden discovery most of the time. I think Laviolette is scared too.I agree. Probably get less years on the contract with Smith too. That $2-3 million can probably net a serviceable third pair D as well.
At this point I‘d only be ok with trading Smith or Bonino (as I‘d say these guys would return proper value).
No way I am trading Granlund for a second (although I agree with your assessment that this is what we would get for him right now). I‘d rather hold on to him an make the gamble that he can return to form under the new coach. So maybe hold on to him untill the tdl.
I don't think you trade anybody until you get closer to the trade deadline and figure out where the team is likely headed. If the playoffs are realistically in reach, nobody gets traded.
But assuming no miracle occurs, the only players to trade at the deadline are the impending UFAs. Trade Granlund for sure. There's no way we are re-signing him. If all we get for him is a 2nd, so be it. It's better than the nothingburger he has given us. Smith, ask him first if he'll extend on our terms, if not, trade him too. The others... I don't expect the rest of the league knows who Grimaldi is yet and we're better off keeping him and trying to re-sign him vs. anything we'd get in a trade. If anybody gives us a 7th round pick for Hamhuis, Irwin, or Weber, take it and run.
Turris is the only other player I'd look to trade during the season. And the only one I'd at least listen on trading right now. Because he's still just a nomad in our lineup. And basically will be forever. Even if Hynes doesn't treat him as badly as Lavy did, we still have Joey, Duchene, and Sissons locked up, and Bonino is still a better 3rd line center than Turris. No matter how well Turris plays or how his situation improves under the new coach, he's still going to be underutilized here. Anything we get for him at even a slight positive return value is worth taking because it ultimately frees up cap space to address other needs in the summer. Still has to be a positive return, though... I wouldn't trade Turris as a negative value cap dump.
If things crash entirely during the season, I still think you only consider trading bigger core players during the off-season. But I'd be cautious even then. Hynes walked onto the scene of a trainwreck. Poile waited too long to make the change. I'd be more likely to give the core another full season under Hynes before breaking up the band.
This is true. I tend to think rental-like "best offers" don't come in until the deadline bidding heats up, but for sure, if anybody wants to give us a 1st today for Granlund, take it and run. Before I even finished reading your reply I was already formulating my response to say "Trenin is better anyway" too.Agreed on basically everything. The one thing I would do slightly different is that I would potentially consider trading Granlund whether or not we're in the playoff hunt depending on the return we could get. If Granlund someone offers us a first or a top end prospect for him I'd have to strongly consider moving him regardless of the playoff position. Trading him is also dependent on if he has a turn around, but at his current level I don't mind losing him even if we are still trying to compete. At this point I'd much rather give Trenin the minutes we've been feeding Granlund anyways.
Hockey has always been a team sport and the NHL is a league with a salary cap. "Tanking for a few years" is no guarantee for success and isn't going to build a team with 12 Kucherovs at forward and 6 Giordanos on defense—which is not a well-balanced team composition anyway.If things crash entirely during the season, I still think you only consider trading bigger core players during the off-season. But I'd be cautious even then. Hynes walked onto the scene of a trainwreck. Poile waited too long to make the change. I'd be more likely to give the core another full season under Hynes before breaking up the band.
Hockey has always been a team sport and the NHL is a league with a salary cap. "Tanking for a few years" is no guarantee for success and isn't going to build a team with 12 Kucherovs at forward and 6 Giordanos on defense—which is not a well-balanced team composition anyway.
Not sure about others, but it would be a bitter pill if the Preds decided to go full-on with the Edmonton strategy of tanking until they can get a generational player (or a dozen), as there are zero Cups in the display case. The slogans of "there's always next year" only sound good long-term to the ears of fans of the opposition.
I would just like to see better play, better hustle and be competitive. Seems like we are either just pushed around and moved off the puck or we play like we don't care. All of those people calling for ET to be on the roster, his current stats are not very impressive 37GP/7/8/15 places him at #11 on the Ads roster in points. And the Ads are killing it in the AHL! I think calling for him to be on the roster by next year is a stretch.
I hear you. It's frustrating because he is obviously incredibly skilled, but he is also a pretty powerful skater. He tries so many dipsy-doodle-type plays (including in our defensive zone) when he would achieve far more by dropping his shoulder and powering to the net. For better or worse, I perceive him to have a very inconsistent work rate/compete level and at times a fairly selfish player (including taking some of the worst frustration penalties on the team).FF9 drives me nuts at this point. I do wonder what kind of value he would return at the TDL (or at any point). I imagine it would be relatively massive. Probably best to at least wait until a few days into February though so he can do his standard goal per game deal leading up to the deadline.
I'm not really on the trade FF9 train or anything but I've soured on him more than any other Preds player this season.