Speculation: Armchair GM Thread: There are no bad proposals, only bad players

[InfinityIggy]

I will do something that I think is more realistic and TBH, I don't really like it as I'd like to see more changes.

PRE-EXPANSION
Trade 1st round pick (16th OA) and the rights to Chad Johnson to the Arizona Coyotes for Mike Smith, 1st round pick (23rd OA, originally Minnesota's pick) and 3rd round pick (69th OA, originally Detroit's pick)

EXPANSION DRAFT
Vegas Golden Knights select Hunter Shinkaruk

ENTRY DRAFT
Use picks 23, 69, 109, 140, 171 and 202 to draft prospects

RE-SIGNINGS/PROSPECT SIGNINGS
Sam Bennett - 3 years/$3,000,000
Alex Chiasson - 1 year/$1,000,000
Garnet Hathaway - 1 year/$650,000
Brett Kulak - 1 year/$700,000
Curtis Lazar - 2 years/$1,000,000
Michael Stone - 3 years/$3,750,000
Tyler Wotherspoon - 1 year/$700,000

FREE AGENCY
Darcy Kuemper - 1 year/$1,650,000
Kris Russell - 2 years/$3,000,000

LINE-UPS
Gaudreau - Monahan - Ferland
Frolik - Backlund - Brouwer
Tkachuk - Bennett - Lazar/Chiasson
Bouma - Stajan - Lazar/Chiasson
x: Hamilton, Hathaway

Giordano - Hamilton
Brodie - Stone
Russell - Andersson
x: Wothersponn/Kulak

Smith
Kuemper

Smith/Kuemper would be a disaster of a goalie pairing, in my opinion.

 

[Sparky93]

Vegas selects Stajan

Flames:

Tyler Myers

Jets:

Kylington
2017 1st

Flames:

Brayden Schenn

Flyers:

Tyler Myers
Shinkaruk

Flames:

Fleury
Maatta
Sprong

Penguins:

Giordano
Brouwer

2018 starting line up:

Gaudreau-Monahan-Sprong
Jankowski-Backlund-Frolik
Tkachuk-Bennett-Schenn
Ferland-Lazar-Chiasson

Brodie-Hamilton
Maatta-Andersson
Kulak-Stone

Fleury/Gillies

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

When will the Monahan for Lindholm meme end

Death or when the trade happens.

 

[Flames Fanatic]

Death or when the trade happens.

I'm not sure whats worse, this or your new obsession with tanking for Dahlin.

This team isn't going to tank, especially right now. You can have fun with the idea, but it's never going to happen.

 

[Fig]

http://www.nhl.com/ice/draftprospectdetail.htm?cat=1&dpid=107068&sort=finalRank&year=2017

What an interesting last name.

Mismash.

 

[Lunatik]

Smith/Kuemper would be a disaster of a goalie pairing, in my opinion.

I know you do, It's not my first choice, but I just don't see us willing to move assets needed to acquire anyone good and I think the fans have run Elliott out of town and even if we offer him a contract he will reject it.

 

[Fig]

I know you do, It's not my first choice, but I just don't see us willing to move assets needed to acquire anyone good and I think the fans have run Elliott out of town and even if we offer him a contract he will reject it.

I hope it's something like option #7. I think I prefer Johnson/Elliott to that tandem...

 

[Lunatik]

I hope it's something like option #7. I think I prefer Johnson/Elliott to that tandem...

I have Smith as a starter option behind Elliott, Fleury and Grubauer. I don't think he is as bad as others make him out to be though, I believe he's been better than his numbers show due to the awful team in front of him. As for Kuemper, again he's a an option a few spots down but I think they will go for a "younger" guy (28 and under) for one of the spots and he is both a UFA and fits in that range.

 

[InfinityIggy]

I have Smith as a starter option behind Elliott, Fleury and Grubauer. I don't think he is as bad as others make him out to be though, I believe he's been better than his numbers show due to the awful team in front of him. As for Kuemper, again he's a an option a few spots down but I think they will go for a "younger" guy (28 and under) for one of the spots and he is both a UFA and fits in that range.

His numbers this year aren't far off from his career averages though. He has one remarkable year in 11/12, and has been very average to poor every other year.

 

[Fig]

I have Smith as a starter option behind Elliott, Fleury and Grubauer. I don't think he is as bad as others make him out to be though, I believe he's been better than his numbers show due to the awful team in front of him. As for Kuemper, again he's a an option a few spots down but I think they will go for a "younger" guy (28 and under) for one of the spots and he is both a UFA and fits in that range.

Well, sure. But that tandem is just perpetuating goalie carousel. I personally think we should bring back 1 of Johnson/Elliott to slow that carousel. I really want a long term option. (3+ years)

EDIT: I am also of the opinion that some of the failures of the current tandem was due to the team + goalies in a new system/learning each others tendencies etc.

 

[Lunatik]

His numbers this year aren't far off from his career averages though. He has one remarkable year in 11/12, and has been very average to poor every other year.

It's really hard to say with how bad the Coyotes are though, if we go that route I won't complain too much, but mostly because I have faith that Treliving has a better read on Smith that any of us.

 

[Lunatik]

Well, sure. But that tandem is just perpetuating goalie carousel. I personally think we should bring back 1 of Johnson/Elliott to slow that carousel. I really want a long term option. (3+ years)

EDIT: I am also of the opinion that some of the failures of the current tandem was due to the team + goalies in a new system/learning each others tendencies etc.

I don't disagree with any of this. My first choice would be an Elliott/Grubauer tandem with Elliott signing for 2 years and Grubauer for 4

 

[Mobiandi]

I think one of Grubauer or Raanta could be had without breaking the bank. I prefer the former, but Raanta is probably the more feasible option.

 

[Kritty]

Yep. Even with a largely underperforming core for the majority of the year, this was still a team that had a shot at the division.

I don't think people get this about the Flames. The team was in the division mix up until the last month of the season with some serious down seasons. Look at what happened when the goaltending was good and the elite players on the team played to that level. This team is easily good enough to be a division contender, even without adding anything, just with some bounceback years. The biggest "deal" that could be made would be Bennett making the jump that a lot of us think he can and hope he will. That would be a major trade all on its own and would cost nothing.

 

[Mr Snrub]

I don't think people get this about the Flames. The team was in the division mix up until the last month of the season with some serious down seasons. Look at what happened when the goaltending was good and the elite players on the team played to that level. This team is easily good enough to be a division contender, even without adding anything, just with some bounceback years. The biggest "deal" that could be made would be Bennett making the jump that a lot of us think he can and hope he will. That would be a major trade all on its own and would cost nothing.

Are you suggesting we trade 21-year-old Sam Bennett for 22-year-old Sam Bennett?

 

[OvermanKingGainer]

Are you suggesting we trade 21-year-old Sam Bennett for 22-year-old Sam Bennett?

Bennett isn't even 21 yet.

 

[Mr Snrub]

Bennett isn't even 21 yet.

So we're trading 20-year-old Sam Bennett for 22-year-old Sam Bennett? Talk about a steal

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

So we're trading 20-year-old Sam Bennett for 22-year-old Sam Bennett? Talk about a steal

You know it's actually possible to time travel into the future? The record is 20 milliseconds haha. You want prime Iggy or Kipper? Sorry tough luck buddy time travel to the past is impossible, but you want 22 year old Bennett that matches his draft pedigree? It's technically POSSIBLE , but even the most advanced alien species in the multiverse won't have that technology haha, and rightfully so, since advanced species value peace and safety and don't want it in wrong hands.

 

[InfinityIggy]

You it's actually possible to time travel into the future? The record is 20 milliseconds haha. You want prime Iggy or Kipper? Sorry tough luck buddy time travel to the past is impossible, but you want 22 year old Bennett that matches his draft pedigree? It's technically POSSIBLE , but even the most advanced alien species in the multiverse won't have that technology haha, and rightfully so, since advanced species value peace and safety and don't want it in wrong hands.

Elias Lindholm is 22. Coincidence?

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[Pirate King Luffy]

Elias Lindholm is 22. Coincidence?

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[Mr Snrub]

Elias Lindholm is 22. Coincidence?

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Oh no, now we're gonna get Bennett for Lindholm proposals, aren't we

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

Elias Lindholm is 22. Coincidence?

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It makes perfect sense. Lindholm is Future Bennett (Trunks).

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

Oh no, now we're gonna get Bennett for Lindholm proposals, aren't we

I've made many of them already, and it's actually beneficial for us lol.

 

[Flameshomer]

Exactly. Next year, there's no new system to figure out, no contract disputes with the best offensive player, no Grossmann, no Wideman, hopefully no injuries to core players...there's lots of reason for optimism. The pessimism surrounding the core is bizarre and wholly unwarranted. An average goalie, re-signing Stone and some better depth and there's no reason for this team to not compete for the division.



Outside of Vegas not taking Brouwer, this is easily the best one yet.

The only time I have problems with "same lineup" are goaltender relational. If we fix between the pipes were a good team

 

[Johnny Hoxville]

From the mainboard, would you guys do: Raanta, Hayes, 21OA for Fox and 16OA?

I for sure would.