Armchair GM Draft, 2019 (Discussion Only)
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Brian Propp, so underrated. He was a terrific player. Great pick. Was hoping he would last to me.
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I guess to compare Propp to a modern player I’d say he’s similar to Bergeron.
Nothing about his skill set stands out..
Not the fastest skater, not the hardest shot, not the biggest guy or a big hitter, but he was extremely hard working, smart, well positioned and tenacious.
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To pass the time... lets have an informal vote/discussion/whatever. Lines are being completed, so lets see what the top lines are looking like:
1. Tkachuk--Mario--Hull
2. Benn--Thorton--Iginla
3. Andreychuk--Francis--Kane
4. Robitialle--Messier--Alfredsson
5. Kariya--Sakic--Hossa
6. LeClair--Crosby--Kurri
7. W Clark--Yzerman--Palffy
8. Ovechkin--Malkin--Makarov
9. Kovalchuk--Gretzky--Selanne
10. ????--Sundin--St. Louis
11. Hall--Nieuwendyk--Pastrnak
12. Shananhan--Bergeron--Jagr
What does everyone think? Any clear cut front runners here?
That all Russian line could really cause some mayhem. Gretzky's line could also score every other shift.
1. Tkachuk--Mario--Hull
2. Benn--Thorton--Iginla
3. Andreychuk--Francis--Kane
4. Robitialle--Messier--Alfredsson
5. Kariya--Sakic--Hossa
6. LeClair--Crosby--Kurri
7. W Clark--Yzerman--Palffy
8. Ovechkin--Malkin--Makarov
9. Kovalchuk--Gretzky--Selanne
10. ????--Sundin--St. Louis
11. Hall--Nieuwendyk--Pastrnak
12. Shananhan--Bergeron--Jagr
What does everyone think? Any clear cut front runners here?
That all Russian line could really cause some mayhem. Gretzky's line could also score every other shift.
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Tough to argue against any line centered by Mario or Gretzky....either could take just about any 2 wingers listed above and an argument could be made that it is the best.
The Malkin - Ovy- Makarov line is probably 3rd....Ovy and Geno are a load to handle.
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Messier's line probably is the best defensive unit of all of these, while still being a potent scoring threat.
Makarov likes how Messier plays defense.
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Makarov probably is the better magician with the puck and even more impossible to knock off it.
As noted in my writeup, Gary Roberts said he's the second hardest guy, aside from Jagr, he ever tried to knock off the puck.
You know, I've gone back and forth on Malkin-Ovi. The problem for them in international play hasn't actually been them per se as much as it's been the inexplicable choices for 3rd wheel and the relative weakness of the Russian blueline in international play. As alluded above, no such issue with Makarov working his magic on the RW and a defensive core adept at moving the puck in (so far) Lidstrom, Keith, Fetisov, and Reinhart.
Of course, as we've been discussing, it seems my plan keeps amending every couple of rounds . . .
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I like Line 12
Shanahan-Bergeron-Jagr
That line has everything, it seems.
Shanahan brings toughness, net front presence, and an underrated shot.
Bergeron brings smarts, elite passing ability, face off acumen, and if you underestimate his offense, he'll put one past the goalie too.
Jagr is pure sniper off the rush, but also has been known to park himself in front of the net....so if Shanahan isn't crowding the crease, then Jagr will.
Plus Jagr moves with speed that belies his size
Shanahan-Bergeron-Jagr
That line has everything, it seems.
Shanahan brings toughness, net front presence, and an underrated shot.
Bergeron brings smarts, elite passing ability, face off acumen, and if you underestimate his offense, he'll put one past the goalie too.
Jagr is pure sniper off the rush, but also has been known to park himself in front of the net....so if Shanahan isn't crowding the crease, then Jagr will.
Plus Jagr moves with speed that belies his size
Side note . . . I remember when the Rangers would use Shanny and Jagr on the points on the 5 on 3. Shanny on the left, Jagr on the right, and they would be in so tight, almost within 5-10 feet of the circles. Absolutely sick the way those two would work it and fire away.
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Can Ovi-Malkin really play well together? On paper that line should be dominant, but not sure about chemistry and in international play it hasn't really been all that good.
Of course the chemistry question could be asked about all the lines.
Of course the chemistry question could be asked about all the lines.
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I am up, posted my first pick. Working on the write up for the 2nd.
My pick fall during Lil Winger's bedtime. Delayed me some because he wanted 2 episodes of PJ Mask.
My pick fall during Lil Winger's bedtime. Delayed me some because he wanted 2 episodes of PJ Mask.
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My son is on a Super Monsters kick, but we were in the PJ Mask phase for a long time.
Love the GC pick. Great defensive center. BUT . . . your math is off on his PPG. 663/1318 = .50.
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I tried the Super Monsters a couple months ago and he only really had interest in them for about a week.
His new non-bedtime thing is Abby Hatcher, Fuzzley Catcher. I'm assuming it's Kevin Hatcher's daughter on some kind of acid trip with knockoff Pokemon.
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Love the GC pick. Great defensive center. BUT . . . your math is off on his PPG. 663/1318 = .50.
Whoops, good catch. I fixed it.
I think I accidentally copied down his MTL career PPG.
You know, this actually was my initial instinct, to play Ovi and Geno on separate lines.
Here's the thing though: The issue isn't chemistry or any thing else between Malkin and Ovechkin.
No, this issue is that they've always been behind the proverbial 8 ball with (a) the relative weakness of the Russian blueline (typically one of the worst in international play) and (b) some really, really odd choices for 3rd wheel on their line.
In the case of this league, I've addressed both issues:
1. Their RW is Sergei Makarov, arguably one of the greatest Russian hockey players of all time. Many say he was better than Kharlamov up front. He's more magical with the puck than Malkin, and he's more of a bull on it than Ovechkin. As noted, Gary Roberts actually said, aside from Jagr, Makarov was the hardest guy he ever tried to get off the puck.
2. I don't have Team Russia's inability to move the puck. My blueline already includes Lidstrom, Keith, as well as (a) prime 80's Fetisov, arguably one of the greatest defensemen ever and (b) Paul Reinhart, almost a 4th forward on defense who's #4 among Gretzky Draft defensemen in PPG and #3 in playoff PPG.
So, if you're stacking the deck against Geno and Ovi, to the degree one sees in international play, then YES I see your point (and again, it was my initial reaction).
Except, in the case of The Skating Jabronis, I'm stacking the deck IN THEIR FAVOR with one of the greatest RW's in the history of hockey and some of the greatest Gretzky Draft eligible defensmen.
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Every now and then I do actually get wrapped up at work with actual work stuff. It's not all cool gifs and mocking colepens about his Leopard undies and chainsmokers playlists.
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Yeah it's getting tougher to round out the roster. I royally f***ed up not getting a goalie. Super slim pickings right now.
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