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The guy I want the most is Dobson.
Probably could have gotten him for Boeser last year...now I think he's untouchable.
Maybe a guy like Bowen Byram+.
Proposal: Are you in favor of trading Bo Horvat?
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The guy I want the most is Dobson.
Probably could have gotten him for Boeser last year...now I think he's untouchable.
Maybe a guy like Bowen Byram+.
Bettman Returnz
Why so serious?
Diamonddog01
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One guy I sorta see as a possibility (although he's reportedly been very off and possibly dealing with PCS) is Carlo. Less risky than Byram but still risk involved. Horvat to Boston for Carlo & a 1st would be a good trade for us imo.
In theory, the value isnt bad.
But the team cant afford to lose Horvat without a C joining the team. This doesnt have to be via trade, but can be via free agency.
Pettersson cant take face offs, same with Dickinson.
We dont really want to play Lammikko 16 minutes a game because we dont have a C who can take draws.
Right now, all signs point to Boeser as the likely one out.
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My money is on a Boeser move too, just because he doesn't play the speedy game that this management group wants to play and he's too pricey. I'm not ruling out a Bo move though. While it would cause a scene to strip the C, I think it's becoming clear that JT Miller is the locker room leader and it's likely becoming awkward for Horvat. His play just hasn't been consistent this year and he's too busy with his own struggles to lead by example. They need to move him for his sake, because stripping the C is humiliating, but we clearly need a new captain with the change at every other leadership department in this organization. I think a faceoff-taking C can be found in the offseason, but I do think we wait until we know JT is staying before moving him out.
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I would never trade Horvat unless the return was simply unreal.
Second line center who wins more draws than he loses, big body who can handle playoffs. Simply not something you move unless you are getting a more talented center or Dman.
Second line center who wins more draws than he loses, big body who can handle playoffs. Simply not something you move unless you are getting a more talented center or Dman.
thenextone
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A signed Boeser is still good trade chip. Sign him, boost his value and trade him? Or he rebounds and you keep him since he fits in with the age structure moving forward.
My hot take after Dec 5th was Horvat would be traded due to how negatively his eagerness to continue to participate with the organization had been effected.
With the comments from management about everyone but Demko, Pettersson or Hughes being available, it seemed more likely ... but now with how no one's being traded (re-sign Boeser, Miller) and it's possible they actually believe there's a chance to make the playoffs (I don't think it's realistic), I'm not so certain.
I can honestly say I don't have a clue what these folks are doing with this team and the media is no help at all in figuring it out. Maybe the trade deadline will help make things a bit clearer, but I wouldn't be surprised now to see them do nothing.
With the comments from management about everyone but Demko, Pettersson or Hughes being available, it seemed more likely ... but now with how no one's being traded (re-sign Boeser, Miller) and it's possible they actually believe there's a chance to make the playoffs (I don't think it's realistic), I'm not so certain.
I can honestly say I don't have a clue what these folks are doing with this team and the media is no help at all in figuring it out. Maybe the trade deadline will help make things a bit clearer, but I wouldn't be surprised now to see them do nothing.
crazychimp
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This. His last playoff appearance was unreal. Can’t question his leadership after that.
me2
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Boeser is risky on long term deal, if he rediscovers prime Boeser he's a steal. If he continues to decline then he's a negative value cap dump.
If there was no market for Boeser, or there's a "Mike Richards for rookie Brayden Schenn" type deal to be had in which we move Bo (not for character reasons in this case) to get a blue-chip young C or RD (e.g. if somehow McTavish was available, or if he was the ask for Braden Schneider) then definitely. Re-sign Miller before and give him the C, and maybe this re-tool is what it costs to improve things cap and team-balance wise.
kanucks25
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This guy has so much potential if he just played with more consistent intensity (yes I know this can be said about dozens of players).
He has all the tools + the size and power to be an impact player. Not necessarily a true #1 C but like a Kesler in his prime (not as good defensively but perhaps better all-around offensive ability).
He can be a power-forward that is really tough to handle, we've seen glimpses. Saw some of it in yesterday's game and I think "damn, I really want to love him but he disappears way too often". I truly think he can get there if he dedicates himself to it.
If he's never going to get there, we're better off trading him, because I don't feel comfortable defensively with EP / Miller / Bo down the middle. None of these guys can up against a loaded top line.
He has all the tools + the size and power to be an impact player. Not necessarily a true #1 C but like a Kesler in his prime (not as good defensively but perhaps better all-around offensive ability).
He can be a power-forward that is really tough to handle, we've seen glimpses. Saw some of it in yesterday's game and I think "damn, I really want to love him but he disappears way too often". I truly think he can get there if he dedicates himself to it.
If he's never going to get there, we're better off trading him, because I don't feel comfortable defensively with EP / Miller / Bo down the middle. None of these guys can up against a loaded top line.
I am willing to bet that all people here, including myself, have had an experience in which they are bad at a job and are letting people down, and they know it.
For me it was early fatherhood.
I believe Horvat is a good father. But I wonder if he is going through some of the same emotions that we all did when we knew we were bad at something and it was letting others down. For him, it will be captain and leader of the Canucks.
Trade Horvat.
For me it was early fatherhood.
I believe Horvat is a good father. But I wonder if he is going through some of the same emotions that we all did when we knew we were bad at something and it was letting others down. For him, it will be captain and leader of the Canucks.
Trade Horvat.
Yeah I agree. Why should we trade Miller when he looks like he's 3 tiers above any other forward on our roster? I would rather take picks/prospects for Boeser and Horvat. Move up Lammikko and Klimovich while gaining cap space + assets.
There needs to be a re-vamp of the D which will come from selling forwards.
I am and I’ll simply say it’s because he is no longer young. When this team is ready to compete he will be 30 years old and we can already see that his game seems to be declining and getting more inconsistent. I think if the team is honest then he should be dangled in trade talks. Hell if I am Horvat I want to be moved as well.
But I don’t think they will. I think they like him and consider him part of the small core they will move forward with.
But I don’t think they will. I think they like him and consider him part of the small core they will move forward with.
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Because with where we are at its useless to have Miller. It’s like paying for OJ’s lawyer for getting caught shop lifting one cent candy. We don’t need him until we can murder some teams in the playoffs which is at least 5 years out and he would be an old and bad lawyer by then if we keep him around.
PuckMunchkin
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Because the goal isnt to have a forward that is 3 tiers above any other forward on our roster, it is to win a Stanley Cup.
Richard88
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Avs fan here in peace. What would Colorado need to add on top of their 2023 1st for Horvat in the off-season?
(Please don't say Newhook because he's obviously not going to get moved for a player with only one year to UFA).
Thanks in advance for any replies.
PS. Good game last night. Boudreau seems to have made a tangible difference. Happy to help you in your race against Vegas.
(Please don't say Newhook because he's obviously not going to get moved for a player with only one year to UFA).
Thanks in advance for any replies.
PS. Good game last night. Boudreau seems to have made a tangible difference. Happy to help you in your race against Vegas.
I'd trade Horvat before Miller due to the same reasons you listed...I just do not see the leader on the ice,,,or on the bench getting his team going...he has heart,,,,but Miller has heart and grit and shows more emotion...
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The usual ask of Top prospect, high pick and roster player…Avs fan here in peace. What would Colorado need to add on top of their 2023 1st for Horvat in the off-season?
(Please don't say Newhook because he's obviously not going to get moved for a player with only one year to UFA).
Thanks in advance for any replies.
PS. Good game last night. Boudreau seems to have made a tangible difference. Happy to help you in your race against Vegas.
Horvat is not flavour of the month here… But honestly we don’t know how this new management even values him so who knows what it takes or if he is in his plans…
But since you asked you Can keep your 1st and I would do Horvat and Myers for Byram and a bag of edibles.
KingofSurrey
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Should have traded Miller at this years deadline. Gotten max value from him as he is at his peak right now.
