Proposal: Are you in favor of trading Bo Horvat?

[RussianRacket]

Curious as to what the board thinks.

In my opinion: He's not demonstrated he's a great leader on the ice. He's had one or two flashes of brilliance in his career but mostly seems to disappear for long stretches of time.

I would trade him before Miller.

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[Just A Bit Outside]

Yes.

And I would trade both.

Just maybe not at the same time.

 

[D0ctorCool]

Hughes, Demko and Pettersson are about the only three guys I wouldn't trade.

 

[John Johnson]

Yes but if we trade both Miller and Horvat we basically have no centers.

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

Yes but if we trade both Miller and Horvat we basically have no centers.

Precisely this…who plays center next season?….and what are we trading Horvat for..?..picks and prospects?

 

[MS]

Not if he can be re-signed at a decent AAV.

I think he's experienced a bit of a transition from the 'everyone under 25 is overrated' thing to now being part of the 'everyone over 25 is underrated' group.

He's still an above-average #2 C. And I don't see how you can trade Miller and Horvat and hope to have a 1-2 year turnaround here.

 

[RussianRacket]

Then don't trade Miller.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

Yes but if we trade both Miller and Horvat we basically have no centers.

You target a C in either a Miller or Horvat deal.

EP has to move back to C. If not, you’re essentially admitting a rebuild is needed anyway.

 

[Vector]

The reason you would trade one over the other is management has reached out to the agents to gauge interest in signing extensions. If one expresses hesitation while the other doesn’t, then that’s the one you trade.

 

[MS]

Then don't trade Miller.

Miller is gonzo in 2023. He isn't re-signing here.

 

[RussianRacket]

Miller is gonzo in 2023. He isn't re-signing here.

There is zero indication that that is true.

 

[MS]

There is zero indication that that is true.

Frank Seravelli who is about the most reliable insider there is (and is based in Miller's home state) reported that Miller is unlikely to re-sign a few days ago.

And it should just be common sense. He can re-sign with this bad retooling team in a different country ... or he can sign for elite teams close to home. He isn't going to choose the first option.

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

Frank Seravelli who is about the most reliable insider there is (and is based in Miller's home state) reported that Miller is unlikely to re-sign a few days ago.

And it should just be common sense. He can re-sign with this bad retooling team in a different country ... or he can sign for elite teams close to home. He isn't going to choose the first option.

To be fair..there’s been media speculation for years about Miller being unhappy here..only for him to say he and his family like Vancouver…

For me personally,I’d love to keep JT..but his whopping retirement contract won’t align with the younger crew.

 

[likash]

Hell no. He will take a friendly deal and retire a canuck.

 

[MS]

To be fair..there’s been media speculation for years about Miller being unhappy here..only for him to say he and his family like Vancouver…

For me personally,I’d love to keep JT..but his whopping retirement contract won’t align with the younger crew.

It isn't always a black/white thing between 'Loves it! and 'Wants out!'

I don't think he hates it here. I don't believe he's asked for a trade. But when push comes to shove, I also highly doubt he's thinking that signing here long-term is his preferred option.

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

No.

Good centers don’t grow on trees, and the team is already looking to move Miller. Pettersson, Horvat, Hughes and Demko are the last guys I would look to move.

 

[John Johnson]

Precisely this…who plays center next season?….and what are we trading Horvat for..?..picks and prospects?

That's my thinking, basically signals scorched rebuild. I would understand if Horvat requested a trade though.

 

[alternate]

Voter No, but of course there's always potential offers that would change my mind.

Feel him and EP are perfect complements down the middle. Prefer to give this core a shot, and feel Bo will be an important piece to whatever success this group has over the next few years.

 

[December5th]

yes the next couple years are a write off anyways. rebuild time

 

[John Johnson]

You target a C in either a Miller or Horvat deal.

EP has to move back to C. If not, you’re essentially admitting a rebuild is needed anyway.

EP needs to be better in all areas, but C especially. He needs to get good at faceoffs, because Horvat and Miller are our best and basically only good ones at it. We could target a C, as long as they can play right away, otherwise like you said, rebuild.

 

[David Bruce Banner]

Of course anyone is available for a gross overpayment, but I wouldn't want to move him just for the sake of moving our "older" guys.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

Personally, think Bo will start decline fairly quick.

His skating is better than it was, but it will only get worse and is not especially the best atm.

Coupled with the fact he will be 28 looking for the last big contract, doesn’t make sense.

If he stays, it’s a 4-5 yr deal at most at basically his current salary. Maybe $6M tops.

 

[JiffyPB]

Trading him means a full rebuild. You can't trade your top 2 centers and expect to remotely compete anytime within the next 3 years.

I would only trade him if he asks out or signals he's not interested in an extension with the team if there is going to be a retool. Then he would have to be traded at the draft with an extension to a new team to maximize value.

 

[ChuckNorris4Cup]

Personally I say no, the guy is a beast, but at the same time he's been here for the fallen ship for a while and it's been a lot of downs with this organization over the years he has been here, he's kind of due for going to a team that wins, so I wouldn't be mad if he did want to go somewhere else where they win he kind of deserves it imo, but I still don't want to lose him because he is a key player for a good team.

 

[Nucker101]

I mean if they're trading away Garland for younger assets, then why stop there? Personally I'd keep both Bo and Garland, trade Boeser, Miller and Myers(if possible) and go from there. I'm in favour of a re-tool over a full teardown, but keeping Bo and trading away Miller/Garland seems like a weird middle ground, especially since Bo himself said he's not sticking around for another rebuild.