Speculation: Are the Vancouver Canucks going to Take Another Run at PK Subban

[F A N]

Pretty much. The only thing our supreme leader stockpiled in the last half decade is failures.

Maybe you should follow a different supreme leader?

 

[F A N]

If it does not cost our 1st this year or the obvious players.
I would be fine with it

I would be fine with this too. Subban is still a good player in this league. The question is whether he is going to continue to regress. I can't imagine a scenario where we won't be required to give up at least what we gave up for Gudbranson. But if essentially we're worried about his contract rather than the assets going the other way then I'm fine with it. I'll take a chance that he gives us a first pairing Dman for the next 3 years.

 

[krutovsdonut]

Exactly. Did the Leafs screw him over as well?

and the kings too

 

[JianYang]

His skating, which used to be very explosive, is no longer an advantage. His edgework also used to be at the top of the league, but I don't really seem him use it anymore.

He seems to have reached the point where his game has to evolve a bit, but he still has the tools to be a very good d-man. In certain respects, I think his evolution has already begun.

 

[mossey3535]

If we're contending in 2-3 years which is the timeline I find most likely, then Subban will be on the last years of his contract and Nashville's window is probably closed. He'll probably have a couple years left and be a good playoff rental at a potentially cheap price.

It's dumb to trade anything for him now. We DO NOT have a surplus of prospects.

 

[F A N]

If we're contending in 2-3 years which is the timeline I find most likely, then Subban will be on the last years of his contract and Nashville's window is probably closed. He'll probably have a couple years left and be a good playoff rental at a potentially cheap price.

It's dumb to trade anything for him now. We DO NOT have a surplus of prospects.

If Subban is a legitimate top 4 Dman in 3 years time, he would not be a cheap playoff rental.

 

[GetFocht]

This article screams, PK Subban: Canucks looking to bolster blue line as Edler, Juolevi questions remain - Sportsnet.ca

Benning has already started discussions to acquire a 20 min defenceman and it looks like to be his top priority.

 

[RebuildinVan]

Depends on the cost obviously. At $9 million per with no retention I wonder what Nashville would take? Cost maybe better than expected.... if the other GM has enough brains

 

[DL44]

It's pretty crazy that 5 seasons have already burned off of Subban's contract.

3 remaining yrs at $9 per, is pretty good. If he was a UFA right now, he would be getting 10+...

Acquisition cost is the thing... what would they want?

I would consider it if it were 2020 1st and Woo + bits. Maybe even the 2019 1st and Woo. Splashy splash splash. Give em Tanev too.

 

[Hit the post]

It's pretty crazy that 5 seasons have already burned off of Subban's contract.

3 remaining yrs at $9 per, is pretty good. If he was a UFA right now, he would be getting 10+...

Acquisition cost is the thing... what would they want?

I would consider it if it were 2020 1st and Woo + bits. Maybe even the 2019 1st and Woo. Splashy splash splash. Give em Tanev too.

That 1st better be lottery protected. Course who knows with these guys.

 

[Cupless44]

It's pretty crazy that 5 seasons have already burned off of Subban's contract.

3 remaining yrs at $9 per, is pretty good. If he was a UFA right now, he would be getting 10+...

Acquisition cost is the thing... what would they want?

I would consider it if it were 2020 1st and Woo + bits. Maybe even the 2019 1st and Woo. Splashy splash splash. Give em Tanev too.

f*** no!! Why would a bottom feeding team, fresh off 4 non playoff seasons and the worst combined record in the NHL over that time, simply ignore where their team is at in the rebuild cycle and give up their first round pick next year in a draft loaded with studs in the top 10 plus any good young prospects they have for a 30 year old defenceman about to start declining??

 

[PetterssonSimp]

40th overall and Juolevi. That 9m in cap space is the most valuable part of the deal, Nashville is still trying to contend, they’re basically capped out, have Josi to sign and just replace PK with Fabbro in the lineup.

 

[vancityluongo]

I'd have been okay with Subban if we did something like traded Edler for a number of assets at the deadline, and then added a non-trivial but not meaningful piece like Juolevi to that package for Subban.

Say we moved Edler for Dube + 2019 2nd

you could then move Juolevi + Dube + VAN 2019 2nd for PK.

Oh well.

 

[valkynax]

Maybe you should follow a different supreme leader?

I'm not a gullible sheep who thinks the "supreme leader" is incapable of doing anything remotely wrong.

 

[Buresflyingelbow]

I’ve already stated several times that we are also looking for a top 6 player this year to play in the lineup and if we added the local boy Kyle Turris to the deal we can probably get PK on a cheaper deal. Too much just adds up here for it to not happen in my opinion. Local top 6 player and RHD who it seems Nashville are both trying to walk away from in order to free up cap space.
Could be a great buy low great return scenario or a complete disaster.
If it lowered the price on Subban I’d be willing to take the gamble with the local boy playing up to his contract here.

 

[Megaterio Llamas]

PK is too flamboyant for Vancouver.

He needs the big stage.

 

[Sakic]

40th overall and Juolevi. That 9m in cap space is the most valuable part of the deal, Nashville is still trying to contend, they’re basically capped out, have Josi to sign and just replace PK with Fabbro in the lineup.

Man, Nashville is so good at developing dmen that Juolevi would end up a superstar

 

[PetterssonSimp]

Man, Nashville is so good at developing dmen that Juolevi would end up a superstar

That’s kinda what I think too. They’d at least turn him into a PP specialist #5 who can take 15-18 mins a night, probably 12-14 5v5 mins.

 

[82Ninety42011]

I’ve already stated several times that we are also looking for a top 6 player this year to play in the lineup and if we added the local boy Kyle Turris to the deal we can probably get PK on a cheaper deal. Too much just adds up here for it to not happen in my opinion. Local top 6 player and RHD who it seems Nashville are both trying to walk away from in order to free up cap space.
Could be a great buy low great return scenario or a complete disaster.
If it lowered the price on Subban I’d be willing to take the gamble with the local boy playing up to his contract here.

Interesting but if were taking Turris and Subban that's a crazy cap add of 15 million we have to send some back. Sutter most definitely is going other way. How about Subban and Turris for Sutter, our 2019 2nd and Juolevi?

 

[MS]

Interesting but if were taking Turris and Subban that's a crazy cap add of 15 million we have to send some back. Sutter most definitely is going other way. How about Subban and Turris for Sutter, our 2019 2nd and Juolevi?

That would be a brilliant trade but there’s no way a GM as good as David Poile goes for a package that bad in a trade with a negotiator as bad as Jim Benning.

If a deal like this happens, expect it to be for something like Gaudette plus our 2020 #1. And maybe throw Tanev in there for good measure.

 

[y2kcanucks]

It's pretty crazy that 5 seasons have already burned off of Subban's contract.

3 remaining yrs at $9 per, is pretty good. If he was a UFA right now, he would be getting 10+...

Acquisition cost is the thing... what would they want?

I would consider it if it were 2020 1st and Woo + bits. Maybe even the 2019 1st and Woo. Splashy splash splash. Give em Tanev too.

I would not consider either of those trades. That would be awful for this organization and set us back.

If Nashville is willing to take on some spare parts, sure, but I wouldn't trade any first round picks, nor would I trade any of Horvat, Pettersson, Boeser, Hughes, or Demko.

 

[mossey3535]

If Subban is a legitimate top 4 Dman in 3 years time, he would not be a cheap playoff rental.

I didn't say he would be. I was guessing that he would decline by just enough that he wouldn't have fallen off a cliff yet but he wouldn't be so good that he would be legit top-4.

And even if he was legit top-4, I'm guessing by then Nashville may have tired of his contract and would be looking for cap relief in the last year. A good GM could exploit that and get him out of there for somewhat cheap.

Hopefully it would also align for us in that we would actually be contending and would need depth like that.

The point is, it doesn't make sense at all unless we project for good things for the Canucks - THREE YEARS FROM NOW.

 

[mossey3535]

Oh wait, going for Subban right now would kind of make sense considering our d is so thin:

-if we had STOCKPILED PICKS so we had extra prospects instead of a bunch of forwards who didn't get to develop last year in our toxic farm system, so we would have actual assets we could let go for him

AND

-we had not signed Beagle, Schaller, and somehow jettisoned Eriksson...that $11M would easily pay for Subban and have change left over for the upcoming ELC contracts we have to pony up for.

This is why making dumb moves constantly hurts.

 

[elitepete]

It's pretty crazy that 5 seasons have already burned off of Subban's contract.

3 remaining yrs at $9 per, is pretty good. If he was a UFA right now, he would be getting 10+...

Acquisition cost is the thing... what would they want?

I would consider it if it were 2020 1st and Woo + bits. Maybe even the 2019 1st and Woo. Splashy splash splash. Give em Tanev too.

Stop this garbage.

 

[elitepete]

If we can get Subban for secondary prospects like Juolevi, Madden, Dipietro, Goldobin, Jasek, Sautner, Palmu, Lind, etc., then go right ahead.