Yeah, after they made the playoffs twice in a row, while the Sabres were the first team to finish 31st. Maybe look at the polls around the time the Leafs drafted Matthews.
Are the New York Rangers fastest team to have done a rebuild?
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Those are wiped from the site's history, but you've got a fair point that Buffalo never had any business above 40% in that poll that was made at the end of last season.
Make the playoffs, which will still be really tough.
Toronto basically went into rebuild mode at the end of 2014-15 and then made the playoffs in 2016-17. Now, you can say they sucked previously, which I'll agree with, but it wasn't constructed as an organized rebuild. Firstly, they traded 2 firsts to get Kessel because Burke didn't believe in a teardown, then after we lucked out making the playoffs in 2012/13 during the shortened season, we made moves to build around that flawed core which then completely screwed us. I guess it depends on when you define a rebuild starting.
Toronto basically went into rebuild mode at the end of 2014-15 and then made the playoffs in 2016-17. Now, you can say they sucked previously, which I'll agree with, but it wasn't constructed as an organized rebuild. Firstly, they traded 2 firsts to get Kessel because Burke didn't believe in a teardown, then after we lucked out making the playoffs in 2012/13 during the shortened season, we made moves to build around that flawed core which then completely screwed us. I guess it depends on when you define a rebuild starting.
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I find this hard to believe.
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Yeah, that is obviously annoying. I get the reason why people voted against the Leafs then, but Leafs came out of full-tear down rebuild mode pretty quickly because they kept some of the better assets, and then drafted well with their 3 top 10 picks between 2014-2016. I don't think anyone thought we had a good shot at making the playoffs until mid-way through the 2016/17 season, and I obviously get the skepticism.
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I found it hard to believe, too. If it helps: these are idiots on Twitter and Facebook. The Flyers fans are at their worst on those platforms as well.
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The server change is a damn shame.
To be fair, that poll was made before July 1st, 2018. On that day, Buffalo lost a #1 center, Toronto gained one, and nobody else lost or gained anything else of significance. I'm sure if you made it on July 2nd, or especially now, it would be locked for a lopsided result in favor of Toronto.
Anyhow, I'll bring this back on topic by emphasizing the mistake made by the >40% who voted for Buffalo in that poll. You can't declare that a rebuild is done, or complete, until a team has successfully proven they are a bonafide playoff team with underlying factors that show their success is sustainable. Even Edmonton appeared to be finished with their rebuild in 2017, but there were a lot of factors that suggested that wasn't sustainable: their goaltender who isn't a HOF caliber goalie had a Vezina level season, their core players all maintained nearly perfect health, they got 27 goals out of Patrick Maroon, they traded their 3rd leading scorer at the end of that season. Yet HF voted that they were the 2nd Cup favorite behind Pittsburgh in a now infamous pre-season poll.
New York added some really nice pieces in Panarin, Kakko, and Trouba, but they have some pretty ugly depth at forward and their defense isn't very good either. They'll be an exciting young team to watch and I do like them, but I don't see success in their future; especially not if they decide to trade Chris Kreider.
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Hmm.. I've been pretty realistic about where the Rangers are with their rebuild in this thread and also have predicted the Flyers to win the Metro this season
Your bold predictions for the coming season
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Nothing is done. Rebuild is done, after they will win Stanley Cup. And that could mean another years.
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No #1C, no #1D and a 87 year old goalie. This isn't a complete rebuild by any means.
The Flyers went from last overall to the conference finals in a year. That's a fast rebuild.
The Flyers went from last overall to the conference finals in a year. That's a fast rebuild.
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Zibanejad is a 1C and we have the best goalie prospect in hockey (Shestyorkin) as well as Georgiev who was our starter by the end of the season who’s only 23. We don’t have a 1D (yet) but Trouba is a solid 2D and we have probably the deepest defensive pool in the NHL highlighted by K’Andre Miller and Adam Fox
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You really might want to reevaluate that stance that all of that is wrong. Ziabnejad is a #1 center, and quite easily. Shestyerkin is the best G prospect out there. He has dominated the KHL for years. Some transition time between Hartford and MSG will be in order, but the kid is flat out the best goalie yet to play in the NHL.
The only thing that is subjective is the last statement and I'd still be hard to find another team that has the quality and depth of the Rangers defensive prospects:
Miller, Lundkvist, Hajek, Fox, Rykov, Robertson, Reunanen, Lindgren.
There are a few other long shots out there, but the Rangers have close to 10 players in their defensive pool that have decent odds to be NHL players. The first 5 players mentioned above have a shot to all be in the NHL by next season and three have a good shot to be there this season.
The only thing that is subjective is the last statement and I'd still be hard to find another team that has the quality and depth of the Rangers defensive prospects:
Miller, Lundkvist, Hajek, Fox, Rykov, Robertson, Reunanen, Lindgren.
There are a few other long shots out there, but the Rangers have close to 10 players in their defensive pool that have decent odds to be NHL players. The first 5 players mentioned above have a shot to all be in the NHL by next season and three have a good shot to be there this season.
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It’s been agreed on that Shesty is the top goalie prospect already. If not, he’s easily top 3. Zibanejad is also a 1C and name one team that has a deeper defensive pool than NYR
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Zib is a lower end #1C i guess, but he's not the type you win the cup with as your top line C. A prospect goalie isn't a sign of a completed rebuild and neither is a stocked pipe of D-men.
The Flyers young D beats the Rangers though, the only defence for this is that some of ours have graduated:
Provorov, Myers, Sanheim, York, Friedman, Ginning, Hogberg, Morin, Zamula...
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The first two are not prospects. If you're going to throw them in, DeAngelo and Skjei are added to the Rangers list.
As for Morin, the dude is 24 and still cannot secure a spot on a team that was rolling out Andrew MacDonald on defense. Guy is a borderline bust of a player.
York and Myers are nice pieces. At least 3 guys you put on this list had similar seasons to Sean Day or a Darren Raddysh, and neither of those guys are mentioned in my post because they are much further down the list of players.
Not to mention, it's not just Rangers fans saying they have a stacked set of blueline prospects. At least be realistic. You could have gone the Colorado route due to the elite nature of Byram and Makar with Timmins not far behind, but they don't have the same depth behind them.
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Speaking of these Russian super prospects, both Sorokin and Shestyorkin are on stacked KHL teams and are facing very minimal shots every night (18 and 23 respectively). Let's wait until these guys come over to NA and can show they can play at a high level in the NHL first
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I don't really know what you're arguing with me about. I'm saying it's not a rebuild whilst these are all prospects. If they graduate and they're good then fine, but they haven't. To go back and slightly amend my point: a low-end #1C, no #1D and an ancient goalie.
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