Are the lightning a superteam?

[Five Alarm Fire]

So a handful of teams who probably wouldn't want his anchor contract without a major overpayment considering no one touched him with a ten foot pole when he was waived?

Hardly a smoking gun here. It would have been pretty tough to find a team he'd waive to, find a team who'd want him and find a middle point on the compensation for taking him on. As in all three of those conditions.

No doubt we would have had to give something of value up or retained a little bit of the deal. Eventually something was going to give, but trade talks paused as RTP talks stalled. Then we learned about the Kucherov injury, and the rest was history.

Losing Killorn would have hurt though, he's been such a beast all playoffs. Can kill penalties, win puck battles, chip in offensively, and is a great leader.

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

Idk... I left the state cuz I think the weather sucks 75% of the year.

Yeah anyone who thinks Florida has idyllic weather probably hasn't ever been to Florida.

But this is really yet another thread where people cry about taxes and the fictional $18 million over the cap.

 

[Outl4w]

40m actually.

Did you find those 40 million votes for him to win by ?

 

[WarriorofTime]

Who’s Ron Desantis? Did give Tampa an unfair advantage over all other teams in the league.

He's the Republican Governor of Florida who has helped keep the state from not having a state income tax.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

Did you find those 40 million votes for him to win by ?

 

[NatoGhost]

Did you find those 40 million votes for him to win by ?

You know im a Bolts fan being sarcastic right? Lol

 

[TheNumber4]

If they are facts then show your math. I'd love to see it.

Facts like Tampa has no taxes which allows them to sign players cheaper than most every other team is a fact that doesn’t require math to understand. Sorry. I’m in the middle of a couple conversations right now and would rather not do an irrelevant deep dive into all the salaries on the Tampa team at the moment.

 

[NatoGhost]

It is terrible in FL don't move here and ruin it.

I lived in Tampa Bay for 20 years.

 

[TheNumber4]

He's the Republican Governor of Florida who has helped keep the state from not having a state income tax.

Ahh so now I know WHY Tampa has an undeniable cap advantage over most every other team in the League. Thanks for the knowledge drop.

 

[Captain97]

Super team, no. Best team since the Blackhawks Dynasty. I'd say yes.

 

[Outl4w]

#4, just give us your numbers and don't change them. THE BOLTS WON. Have a great night. See you next game.

 

[Outl4w]

This.

Even though the actual team on the ice now isn't $18M over, the number still has relevancy because the number allowed Tampa to keep 2-3 of its better role players who ARE on the ice in this series.

The islanders also use ltir and are only a few million under Tampa in total cap using the ltir. I respect your gm for going all in instead of crying about it.

 

[DownIsTheNewUp]

Facts like Tampa has no taxes which allows them to sign players cheaper than most every other team is a fact that doesn’t require math to understand. Sorry. I’m in the middle of a couple conversations right now and would rather not do an irrelevant deep dive into all the salaries on the Tampa team at the moment.

Ah ok, I was starting to think your "facts" weren't based in reality. Good to know you just don't have the time to back them up.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

Ah ok, I was starting to think your "facts" weren't based in reality. Good to know you just don't have the time to back them up.

...hey, he's a busy dude...imagine all the work it takes to be this salty...

 

[TheNumber4]

Ah ok, I was starting to think your "facts" weren't based in reality. Good to know you just don't have the time to back them up.

Does not require backing up with math, cause Tampa having a no tax advantage is a fact in itself that, again, doesn’t require math to understand. Please reread my post and understand it before replying. Thank you.

 

[JTToilinginToronto]

The islanders also use ltir and are only a few million under Tampa in total cap using the ltir. I respect your gm for going all in instead of crying about it.

Boychuk isn't playing. Neither is Lee.

They are real LTIRs

 

[Outl4w]

Boychuk isn't playing. Neither is Lee.

They are real LTIRs

But you used their space to sign players? Do you believe that kucherov wasn't hurt and didn't have surgery?

 

[DownIsTheNewUp]

Does not require backing up with math, cause Tampa having a no tax advantage is a fact in itself that, again, doesn’t require math to understand. Please reread my post and understand it before replying. Thank you.

Okay, lets take the tax part out of it for simplicity. Please just post the roster they are running that is $20mil over the cap that you are claiming.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

Boychuk isn't playing. Neither is Lee.

They are real LTIRs

...Kucherov didn't play during the regular season...was on LTIR...no different...no rule broken...

 

[Outl4w]

Okay, lets take the tax part out of it for simplicity. Please just post the roster they are running that is $20mil over the cap that you are claiming.

That still isn't factual...

 

[JTToilinginToronto]

But you used their space to sign players?

Yes.

Let me ask you this. Did you use Kucherov's $$ to re-sign players?

Yes?

Cool. Let me ask you something else.

Are both Kucherov and those Tampa RFAs currently in the lineup?

 

[CupofOil]

They're a Super Annoying Team. Not only do they have all the advantages of location, state taxes and cap circumvention wizardry, it seems like every year they churn out a gem from the 5th-7th round, it's insane. Their draft and development system is A++++. They are the epitome of how to build a team the right way.

Mostly I'm just jealous of them but I'm sick of seeing them deep in the playoffs every year (except the one exception with the 1st round loss to Columbus) and how they get all the breaks with players taking discounts and elite players sitting out a season giving them huge cap relief only to come back miraculously for the playoffs and destroying the league as if he never had any time off. Come on Tampa, share the wealth a bit. Give Killorn, Palat or Gourde to a team that really needs them (cough Oilers cough). Feel some cap pain for once like the rest of us mortals around the league.

 

[JTToilinginToronto]

...Kucherov didn't play during the regular season...was on LTIR...no different...

Is he currently in the lineup with the RFAs his cap space allowed Tampa to keep?

Yes or no?

 

[Outl4w]

Yes.

Let me ask you this. Did you use Kucherov's $$ to re-sign players?

Yes?

Cool. Let me ask you something else.

Are both Kucherov and those Tampa RFAs currently in the lineup?

Is that against the rules that every team can use that the nhl, owners, commissioner, players, and players union all agreed on ? TELL me who thinks it is cheating when they made these rules and the nhl said the lightning did nothing wrong.

 

[WarriorofTime]

Boychuk isn't playing. Neither is Lee.

They are real LTIRs

Kucherov was real LTIR as well. You are just upset about the rules regarding the salary cap not existing in the postseason.