Are the lightning a superteam?

[Empoleon8771]

I find it funny that people make such a big shit about the Lightning being over the cap, as if having Tyler Johnson in a depth role is somehow the difference between being an elite team or not

The Lightning being over the cap this year allowed them to keep Johnson and maybe Killorn at absolute most. I don't know the exact cap situation with Tampa, but at most it would have been those two had Kucherov been healthy all year. Would Tampa somehow not be a dominant team without those 2? Of course they would still be dominant.

 

[TheNumber4]

I find it funny that people make such a big shit about the Lightning being over the cap, as if having Tyler Johnson in a depth role is somehow the difference between being an elite team or not

The Lightning being over the cap this year allowed them to keep Johnson and maybe Killorn at absolute most. I don't know the exact cap situation with Tampa, but at most it would have been those two had Kucherov been healthy all year. Would Tampa somehow not be a dominant team without those 2? Of course they would still be dominant.

Johnson and Killorns cap hits are a combined 30M now?

 

[didimentionlarseller]

Making their way the only way they know how

 

[Empoleon8771]

Johnson and Killorns cap hits are a combined 30M now?

You don't seem to understand how math works

 

[DFC]

I find it funny that people make such a big shit about the Lightning being over the cap, as if having Tyler Johnson in a depth role is somehow the difference between being an elite team or not

The Lightning being over the cap this year allowed them to keep Johnson and maybe Killorn at absolute most. I don't know the exact cap situation with Tampa, but at most it would have been those two had Kucherov been healthy all year. Would Tampa somehow not be a dominant team without those 2? Of course they would still be dominant.

It allowed us to keep, yes, Johnson and Killorn.

 

[DFC]

Johnson and Killorns cap hits are a combined 30M now?

Are we 30 over now? My God, JBB has gone mad with money.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

MTL can with Petry laser shooting eyes

...Zombie Petry will eat your Cap...

 

[ziggyjoe212]

good team
Florida sun
Beaches
no taxes

It's hard to compete with that..

None of their significant players were free agent acquisitions. Your argument doesn't apply here.

 

[Empoleon8771]

It allowed us to keep, yes, Johnson and Killorn.

Yeah Killorn is a good player, but Johnson is mostly just an overpaid depth guy at this point. Had Kucherov been healthy, they would have paid some futures to move Johnson, traded Killorn for value and that would have made them cap compliant. This team minus those two is still a top contender.

 

[TheNumber4]

Are we 30 over now? My God, JBB has gone mad with money.

Considering tax advantages. Atleast that.

 

[WarriorofTime]

Johnson and Killorns cap hits are a combined 30M now?

You keep trying to include the taxi squad as opposed to just the 20 that actually dress for games.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

Considering tax advantages. Atleast that.

 

[JTToilinginToronto]

I find it funny that people make such a big shit about the Lightning being over the cap, as if having Tyler Johnson in a depth role is somehow the difference between being an elite team or not

The Lightning being over the cap this year allowed them to keep Johnson and maybe Killorn at absolute most. I don't know the exact cap situation with Tampa, but at most it would have been those two had Kucherov been healthy all year. Would Tampa somehow not be a dominant team without those 2? Of course they would still be dominant.

Faulty logic.

Johnson has a full NTC and has no reason to waive. Just because he was the obvious solution to move doesn't mean he would have just uprooted his family to Detroit or Ottawa to make Tampa Bay management happy. This isn't a video game.

In reality, they would have been forced to move a player or two better than Johnson.

 

[WarriorofTime]

It allowed us to keep, yes, Johnson and Killorn.

Yeah I remember talks that Johnson was going to get yeeted off the team, but I guess Kucherov's injury allowed him to stick around for the ride another season. Good for him and I'm sure the Lightning are glad to have him around since he's been with them for a while, but I don't think he's the make or break guy between Tampa being a Stanley Cup favorite and some team that doesn't get out of the first round. He's got like 2 points all postseason

 

[DFC]

Faulty logic.

Johnson has a full NTC and has no reason to waive. Just because he was the obvious solution to move doesn't mean he would have just uprooted his family to Detroit or Ottawa to make Tampa Bay management happy. This isn't a video game.

In reality, they would have been forced to move a player or two better than Johnson.

Johnson did waive.

 

[DFC]

Yeah I remember talks that Johnson was going to get yeeted off the team, but I guess Kucherov's injury allowed him to stick around for the ride another season. Good for him and I'm sure the Lightning are glad to have him around since he's been with them for a while, but I don't think he's the make or break guy between Tampa being a Stanley Cup favorite and some team that doesn't get out of the first round. He's got like 2 points all postseason

In reality, Kucherov's injury saved us the assets it would have cost us to unload Johnson. And, in hindsight, it seems like we were just asking for value on Killorn, if we shopped him at all. But Johnson was shopped for sure, and waived.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Faulty logic.

Johnson has a full NTC and has no reason to waive. Just because he was the obvious solution to move doesn't mean he would have just uprooted his family to Detroit or Ottawa to make Tampa Bay management happy. This isn't a video game.

In reality, they would have been forced to move a player or two better than Johnson.

And had that happened, they could have just bought him out, saved $2.7 million in cap space, traded Killorn and then cleared an additional ~$2 million in cap space by moving other players.

 

[Tres Peleches]

Lightning are a damn good team, but they’re far from unbeatable

 

[Five Alarm Fire]

Faulty logic.

Johnson has a full NTC and has no reason to waive. Just because he was the obvious solution to move doesn't mean he would have just uprooted his family to Detroit or Ottawa to make Tampa Bay management happy. This isn't a video game.

In reality, they would have been forced to move a player or two better than Johnson.

Except Johnson was working closely with the team to find a location that suits him. He had more control of his destiny this past offseason than he would in the future when his NTC is reduced to a modified NTC. Furthermore, it was reported that teams were willing to take on Johnson's contract for a sweetener. So we saved a first round pick and wasted it on Savard, big deal.

 

[JTToilinginToronto]

Johnson did waive.

Source? Nothing came up on a quick Google search showing he agreed to waive, but I could be mistaken.

 

[WarriorofTime]

Considering tax advantages. Atleast that.

Yet they had the same tax advantages back when they tanking and drafting Stamkos and Hedman 1-2 and nobody complained about their massive "advantage" at the time... back then they were just some failing hockey market that needed to be relocated to Quebec City. Now that they hit on all their draft picks and built a great roster with players on good deals, it's all about this unfair "advantage" because of what local governments decide to do with their taxes.

 

[deca guard]

- great goalie
- super stacked and deep defense
- deep group of good skating , athletic , smart forwards
- a coach that has them meshed together into a very tight unit

best team ive seen in alot of years

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

Source? Nothing came up on a quick Google search showing he agreed to waive, but I could be mistaken.

...we was waived earlier in the season, iirc, so he must have waived his NMC...

 

[Five Alarm Fire]

I find it funny that people make such a big shit about the Lightning being over the cap, as if having Tyler Johnson in a depth role is somehow the difference between being an elite team or not

The Lightning being over the cap this year allowed them to keep Johnson and maybe Killorn at absolute most. I don't know the exact cap situation with Tampa, but at most it would have been those two had Kucherov been healthy all year. Would Tampa somehow not be a dominant team without those 2? Of course they would still be dominant.

Hell, we could have traded Stamkos and been just fine.

 

[Go Bolts]

They are right up there with those multiple cup Blackhawks/Penguins teams.