TV: Are the knives out for Jimmy Fallon?

McGarnagle

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Conan will always be my favorite but let's show some love to Craig Ferguson, who did more to successfully experiment with the late night format than anyone in the last 20 years. That said, regrettably I never watched him when he originally aired but fell in love with his bits (like Geoff Peterson) from youtube compilations years later.

I grew up on Conan in the late 90s/early 2000s. He was the best. Letterman, I totally respect him but I was too young to appreciate him, having missed out on his original NBC Late Night show when he was more idiosyncratic, and really only first being exposed to him when he was getting older.

Leno and Fallon are safe middle-of-the-road comedians who have broad enough appeal to keep most of the country watching but who nobody really loves, and the people who are devotees of the format and of comedy actually hate.

Johnny Carson was special, a master interviewer and a strong monologue who had broad appeal to the audience as well as the respect of comedians and celebrities.

Really the way we consume media has evolved so much in recent years that the late night format is not the same as it once was. I don't ever watch anymore, but from clips I've seen I'd say Kimmel is probably the closest thing to a good host we have currently (but he gets lost being on ABC and not one of the other more established shows on NBC/CBS). Colbert appeals to his older viewer base, but I have a lot of issues with him.

In regards to Fallon, I don't really get it, he's not good at anything, can't tell jokes or act in sketches without breaking, not very insightful in his punchlines, etc., he's just too chipper and happy go lucky (which ironically is the opposite of what he's apparently been like behind the scenes), and at least 70% of his show is just Gen X nostalgia porn. Reuniting the Saved by the Bell cast for a skit was cute the first time, but he's just seemingly repeated that with other shows over and over again just to give that audience nostalgia dopamine hit, with no actual substance to his show. When he really died to me was when he took the coward's way out and turned his back on Norm MacDonald. I can't forgive him for that.
 

Jumptheshark

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Like a lot of shows, the production costs go up and up with every year and salary bump until they usually end up unsustainable.

Like Fallon, Corderns ego had been question and how he acted when he was away from the show. He got into trouble because he pulled the "don't you know who I am card" a famous eating joint responded. "Yes. But we do not care."
 

Shareefruck

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I despise Jay Leno, but even putting Fallon next to a guy like that is excessively charitable, to be honest.

He's not just not funny, he's aggressively unfunny in a painful way that's hard to even tune out and be ambivalent to, IMO.
 

End of Line

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Like Fallon, Corderns ego had been question and how he acted when he was away from the show. He got into trouble because he pulled the "don't you know who I am card" a famous eating joint responded. "Yes. But we do not care."

Regarding Corden, I can’t help but laugh when Ricky Gervais called him a “fat p***y, and he was also in Cats”.
 

McGarnagle

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I'm not sure Leno had to go full hack like he did.
That's what makes Jay so polarizing and frustrating. In interviews today you sometimes see glimpses of what made him great in the 70s and 80s pop out, before going back to the hack schtick. He was a comic's comic back then, but once he got the Tonight Show he toned it down massively to appeal to Middle America, plus the machinations that he and his manager did to get and keep that show made it look like he stabbed Dave in the back, now he's almost universally hated by comics.
 

KallioWeHardlyKnewYe

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I genuinely enjoyed Fallon on SNL. Thought he was more funny than not. Solid on Weekend Update and I know some folks don't like that he would break character often but it's so genuine I thought it was funny.

But haven't cared for his schtick since then.
 

Jovavic

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He would break character in almost every skit though, especially if Sanz was in it it's practically guaranteed. He's genuinely not a good skit actor if he breaks in every scene.
 

Lshap

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Fallon's a good musician and in his element when onstage, but he's over his head as an interviewer. Watching him talk to a guest feels like watching a 16-year-old land a plane. Wheels touch down safely, but it never quite feels like he's in control.

Guests typically mirror the tone of the host. Carson was a conversational savant who put the biggest stars at ease; Letterman and Conan were smart and forced guests to bring their A-games; Ferguson, Kimmel, Leno - like 'em or not, they were comfortable in their own skin and owned their show. With Fallon the roles feel reversed; he cedes his show to whomever sits down with him.
 

Ceremony

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Like Fallon, Corderns ego had been question and how he acted when he was away from the show. He got into trouble because he pulled the "don't you know who I am card" a famous eating joint responded. "Yes. But we do not care."
 

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1) Conan was/is a great interviewer. He had a great sit down with Jack White that I still occasionally rewatch

2) Corden was a boob. I didn’t like his response to Bill Maher’s segment on obesity either
 

Stylizer1

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Stephen Colbert was my hero back when he was still doing the Colbert Report.

I understand why he had to give it up, but that character was pure genius.

Obviously Jon Stewart was a huge inspiration on him.
Stephen Colbert actually turned into the character he portrayed on the John Stewart show.
 

Stylizer1

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Conan will always be my favorite but let's show some love to Craig Ferguson, who did more to successfully experiment with the late night format than anyone in the last 20 years. That said, regrettably I never watched him when he originally aired but fell in love with his bits (like Geoff Peterson) from youtube compilations years later.

I grew up on Conan in the late 90s/early 2000s. He was the best. Letterman, I totally respect him but I was too young to appreciate him, having missed out on his original NBC Late Night show when he was more idiosyncratic, and really only first being exposed to him when he was getting older.

Leno and Fallon are safe middle-of-the-road comedians who have broad enough appeal to keep most of the country watching but who nobody really loves, and the people who are devotees of the format and of comedy actually hate.

Johnny Carson was special, a master interviewer and a strong monologue who had broad appeal to the audience as well as the respect of comedians and celebrities.

Really the way we consume media has evolved so much in recent years that the late night format is not the same as it once was. I don't ever watch anymore, but from clips I've seen I'd say Kimmel is probably the closest thing to a good host we have currently (but he gets lost being on ABC and not one of the other more established shows on NBC/CBS). Colbert appeals to his older viewer base, but I have a lot of issues with him.

In regards to Fallon, I don't really get it, he's not good at anything, can't tell jokes or act in sketches without breaking, not very insightful in his punchlines, etc., he's just too chipper and happy go lucky (which ironically is the opposite of what he's apparently been like behind the scenes), and at least 70% of his show is just Gen X nostalgia porn. Reuniting the Saved by the Bell cast for a skit was cute the first time, but he's just seemingly repeated that with other shows over and over again just to give that audience nostalgia dopamine hit, with no actual substance to his show. When he really died to me was when he took the coward's way out and turned his back on Norm MacDonald. I can't forgive him for that.
David Letterman was an all time great beside Carson. He should have taken over for him. I went to see The David Letterman Show in NY in April 2011 on Easter weekend. His guests were Bill Maher, Cote de Pablo, with Musical guest Lupe Fiasco. It was such a great experience and the whole production ran like a very well oiled machine. We were in the second row right in front of his desk.
 

NyQuil

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David Letterman was an all time great beside Carson. He should have taken over for him. I went to see The David Letterman Show in NY in April 2011 on Easter weekend. His guests were Bill Maher, Cote de Pablo, with Musical guest Lupe Fiasco. It was such a great experience and the whole production ran like a very well oiled machine. We were in the second row right in front of his desk.

Letterman was always just a little too subversive for the Tonight Show.

He made fun of his own network constantly.

He just wasn't the kind of team player they were looking for.
 
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Stylizer1

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Letterman was always just a little too subversive for the Tonight Show.

He made fun of his own network constantly.

He just wasn't the kind of team player they were looking for.
That's exactly why he should have been on the Tonight show. SNL used to make fun of NBC until they sucked and feared for their jobs. Letterman was bitter when they didn't give hime the tonight show and he moved to CBS.
 

NyQuil

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That's exactly why he should have been on the Tonight show. SNL used to make fun of NBC until they sucked and feared for their jobs. Letterman was bitter when they didn't give hime the tonight show and he moved to CBS.

I was always a Letterman guy.
 

#37

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I liked Letterman in the early years, when he was wearing beige and light grays and was throwing stuff off the roof of the studio. Stupid pet tricks, etc. The whole "Mrs. Letterman stalker thing' obviously changed him, as it would. Then, during the CBS years he started dressing like a political candidate (dark, shiny suits) and was trying too hard at being 'mainstream'. But, I suppose that is progression for you.
 

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