Sky04
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Any chance he had was lost when he got drafted by the Oilers, that franchise is a complete gong-show. It's amazing how little they have to show for the last 15 years.
To answer the OP question simply no. Unbelievable, great player. But so far he hasn't reached even the levels of peaks Ovi, Malkin etc. Forget about Lemieux and Gretzky.
But at the same time, some people who post here and blame his defense are just laughable... Don't act like Lemieux and Gretzky were amazing defensive players lol. On top of that for the big chunk of their careers they played in All Star teams especially Gretzky. Prime Ovy, Crosby, Malkin, McDavid never had talents around them like him.
Depends on the criteria. If we're talking stats, then there's no way in hell, no one will ever touch Gretzky. But it's pretty obvious that if you take McDavid and place him in his era, he would put up the same stats and perhaps even more. Go watch a vintage game and see how the goalies play and then watch a goalie today, it's pretty hilarious how terrible goalies were back then. I'm pretty sure Lucic today could score 50 in a season back then.
HaaaaaGive McDavid a wooden stick, 70-80`s skates and equipment and put him on the ice - I bet Gretzky is better than him.
0%. This is why. There is still time to teach him and fix this, sure, but if were talking the greatest of all time, you dont need to be taught this.
This is pitiful defensive awareness.
Depends on the criteria. If we're talking stats, then there's no way in hell, no one will ever touch Gretzky. But it's pretty obvious that if you take McDavid and place him in his era, he would put up the same stats and perhaps even more. Go watch a vintage game and see how the goalies play and then watch a goalie today, it's pretty hilarious how terrible goalies were back then. I'm pretty sure Lucic today could score 50 in a season back then.
No. But I think he lost 3 Con Smythes to team mates.Did gretzky ev er lose the art ross/hart to a teammate?
McDavid is in every hockey pool Im in.*posted how McDavid hasn’t won every scoring title since starting his career like Gretzky, gets a response of how he won a Hart and Art Ross in year 2 and a “wut?”*
Gretzky won the Hart each of his first 8 seasons, while adding 5 Pearsons (let’s not forget that he wasn’t given a Pearson during a season he set the assists and points record again while lapping Mario by 74 points because players were tired of voting for him) and 7 Art Rosses during the same timeframe (he lost the goals tiebreaker as a rookie, otherwise it would have been 8 in a row).
Led the league in assists for his first 13 and the other hundred ways he flexed his dominance.
Forget the raw numbers, he straight up bodied the competition for a decade straight.
McDavid has had one of the best 5 year starts ever, but let’s not pretend he’s lapping the competition even a tenth of what Gretzky did.
and all those 2nd place finishers were super star players !And that is not a random stat.
From 80-81 to 86-87 Gretzky won 7 straight scoring titles averaging 198 points per year. The runners up in those years averaged 131 points per year. That means Gretzky scored 51% more points than the 2nd place finishers over that 7 year time frame.
Incredible.Any chance he had was lost when he got drafted by the Oilers, that franchise is a complete gong-show. It's amazing how little they have to show for the last 15 years.
Is he?He is the best consistently for these past few years but he doesn’t have the separation on his peers that Gretzky and Lemieux had
Funny, I had almost forgotten about that. For awhile Gretzky was excluded then shortly after Lemieux was excluded from most pools.McDavid is in every hockey pool Im in.
Gretz wasn't permitted in any.
Not just the scoring, but in 1986/87 you also had just three non-Canadian players in the top 25. In 2016/17 there were 17. The pool of players that Gretzky had to beat was a lot smaller, already Lemieux missing a bunch of games had a huge impact on the statistical outcome. I don't think McDavid is anywhere close, but these comparisons based on 1980s stats can be quite misleading.