would anyone rather have tatar over gaudreau or ovechkin?
didn't think so
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/ranking-top-20-left-wingers-nhl-numbers/
1. Benn
2. Forsberg
3. Pacioretty
4. Tatar
5. Hall
6. Marchand
7. Sedin, D
8. Gaudreau
9. Schwartz
10. Ovechkin
11. Hoffman
12. Palat
13. Nash
14. Foligno
15. Kunitz
16. Steen
17. Saad
18. Landeskog
19. Sharp
20. Skinner
Max Pacioretty Best attributes:
Perimeter Shot Attempts
I'm starting to understand why these lists were released in the order that they were. If this is any indication, the defensemen list will be even more wildly contradictory to expectations based on the eye test.
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/ranking-top-20-left-wingers-nhl-numbers/
1. Benn
2. Forsberg
3. Pacioretty
4. Tatar
5. Hall
6. Marchand
7. Sedin, D
8. Gaudreau
9. Schwartz
10. Ovechkin
11. Hoffman
12. Palat
13. Nash
14. Foligno
15. Kunitz
16. Steen
17. Saad
18. Landeskog
19. Sharp
20. Skinner
Interesting list, and it's nice that Berkshire acknowledges the fact that this ranking underrates Ovi's prolific goal scoring or he would obviously be higher up on the list.
Also as a Habs fan I'm happy to see Pacioretty getting the credit he deserves!
But he uses hits as a component in each players' defensive score. Ovechkin should have like a 100% rating on this, surely hitting alone should give him a better score defensively than a lot of the players on the list. Regarding hitting, I believe it's a defensive skill just like poke checking. What's the difference between stripping the opponent of the puck by poking it away or separating him from the puck with a big hit like this?
To me, that's a great defensive play.
This thread personifies why I hate HFBoards sometimes. Everyone ***** all over something despite not reading it/not understanding it, and fails to provide any substantive response whatsoever.
The author even states this was simply one attempt to quantify top players using advanced stats and is in no way, shape or form definitive.
But instead of a thoughtful discussion of better ways to measure player value or even a discussion of things guys like Ovechkin might do that can't/aren't measured in stats, we just get a parade of idiots posting "lol dumb rankings didn't read."
Do you have proof Ovechkin is doing this every single shift? The numbers don't support it.
I've argued with you before in another thread, Ovechkin spends most shifts in a game doing absolutely nothing productive. He will skate around and not touch a single player anywhere on the ice except a few shifts a game. If he doesn't get a shot off, you'll likely not even know he's on the ice.
Not surprised. The author is a huge Habs fan.
Not surprised. The author is a huge Habs fan.
Did you read the article? It's not his opinion, he's ranking it purely off numbers.
He could've tweaked the ranking system to favour players he likes, he did create it.
If defense, offense and transition play is the criteria, Stone is better than Hoffman from this Sens fan.
No doubt that based on these 3 criteria combined, Stone is superior.
Pacioretty 3 .. Ovechkin 10 quality list
OV is too low - should be top-two, and Foligno, way too high. Tatar, 4th ???? OMG...
I am waiting for his d-men standings... I am sure he put Subban as #1. And Weber out of his list.
Tatar, Foligno, and Kunitz shouldn't even be on the list.
Not sure this guy even watches hockey.
would anyone rather have tatar over gaudreau or ovechkin?
didn't think so
If defense, offense and transition play is the criteria, Stone is better than Hoffman from this Sens fan.
No doubt that based on these 3 criteria combined, Stone is superior.
Did you read the article? It's not his opinion, he's ranking it purely off numbers.
This is just left wing rankings. Stone is in the Right Wing rankings, with both a higher rank and a higher overall score
It has nothing to with him being a Habs fan. He lives and dies by advanced stats.
And he's also a hack as well.
The number of posters in this thread that does not understand what is being discussed