Andrew Berkshire: Ranking the Top 20 Left Wingers in the NHL, by the Numbers
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Aqualung
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Here's the list you get if you weight offence 80%, defense 10%, and transition 10% for LW using the same last 2,000 minutes played. Not exactly great (Tatar still ends up high; Marchand a bit low) but closer to who I think the best LW in the league are.
Benn
Forsberg
Pacioretty
Ovechkin
Hall
Nash
Tatar
Gaudreau
Skinner
Schwartz
Palat
Sedin, D
Hoffman
Steen
Foligno
Marchand
Sharp
Kunitz
Saad
Landeskog
Benn
Forsberg
Pacioretty
Ovechkin
Hall
Nash
Tatar
Gaudreau
Skinner
Schwartz
Palat
Sedin, D
Hoffman
Steen
Foligno
Marchand
Sharp
Kunitz
Saad
Landeskog
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Tatar, Foligno, and Kunitz shouldn't even be on the list.
Not sure this guy even watches hockey.
Max Pacioretty Best attributes:
Perimeter Shot Attempts
You realize shot attempts from the slot is there too right?
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Who the f*** is Trevor Moore?
What you don't want to see the Kings best defenseman Jake Muzzin #1?
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OV is too low - should be top-two, and Foligno, way too high. Tatar, 4th ???? OMG...
I am waiting for his d-men standings... I am sure he put Subban as #1. And Weber out of his list.
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This thread personifies why I hate HFBoards sometimes. Everyone ***** all over something despite not reading it/not understanding it, and fails to provide any substantive response whatsoever.
The author even states this was simply one attempt to quantify top players using advanced stats and is in no way, shape or form definitive.
But instead of a thoughtful discussion of better ways to measure player value or even a discussion of things guys like Ovechkin might do that can't/aren't measured in stats, we just get a parade of idiots posting "lol dumb rankings didn't read."
The author even states this was simply one attempt to quantify top players using advanced stats and is in no way, shape or form definitive.
But instead of a thoughtful discussion of better ways to measure player value or even a discussion of things guys like Ovechkin might do that can't/aren't measured in stats, we just get a parade of idiots posting "lol dumb rankings didn't read."
If defense, offense and transition play is the criteria, Stone is better than Hoffman from this Sens fan.
No doubt that based on these 3 criteria combined, Stone is superior.
No doubt that based on these 3 criteria combined, Stone is superior.
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Do you have proof Ovechkin is doing this every single shift? The numbers don't support it.
I've argued with you before in another thread, Ovechkin spends most shifts in a game doing absolutely nothing productive. He will skate around and not touch a single player anywhere on the ice except a few shifts a game. If he doesn't get a shot off, you'll likely not even know he's on the ice.
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My issue is more in the application and methodology than the idea behind what he was attempting to do.
I have no problem with him attempting to rank players using advanced stats. I just don't agree with some of the advanced stats categories he uses to evaluate the players in the respective attributes (offense, defense, transition).
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Good thing he can get over 15 shot attemps in some games. He could be more involved but he likes to play positional defense. In his own end, you'll mostly see him standing next to the opposing D to make sure the pass doesn't get to them, and he intervenes from time to time.
Some of the guys on the list though, they do literally nothing defensively, they just skate around until they get the breakout pass.
Some shifts you don't see him at all because all the action is happening across the ice on the RW.
He could've tweaked the ranking system to favour players he likes, he did create it.
If he did I doubt Ovi ends up at 10
Not based on the numbers
Pacioretty 3 .. Ovechkin 10 quality list
I'm guessing none of you read the article at all
This is just left wing rankings. Stone is in the Right Wing rankings, with both a higher rank and a higher overall score
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It is his opinion though
He picked which statistics to use, which ones not to use,how to weigh each statistic, how to break them into categories, how to weigh each category and these are his results. This list is his subjective interpretation of what these stats mean.
The number of posters in this thread that does not understand what is being discussed
HF discussion boards in general
