Andrei Svechnikov

[razor ray]

Carolina lucked into that pick and got a good one. He is legit.

 

[VanIsle]

Took him deep in my pool, he is 2nd in it next to McDavid.

Well done Svechnikov, well done!!!

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

You decided to push the stock of every Russian performing well? I don't think they need this. Especially on this site.

Svechnikov is doing well. He was expected to. That's all.

He was expected to be on pace for ~39/51/90 at the quarter point?

I was optimistic for Top 6-type production (50-60 point range) D+2. Through 21 games, he's giving them franchise player-type numbers. He's a big reason why Carolina is knocking on the door of the Top 5 in GF/G right now. He deserves to have his tires pumped.

 

[Barkkonen]

He was already brilliant last spring in playoffs. Very very good hockey player, plays the right way.

 

[LakeLivin]

I think that's a bit of hindsight saying "they already had a decent team".

• Up until last year, the Canes had missed the playoffs in 9 straight seasons.
  
• Before the season started, Canes traded away their best goal scorer (Skinner) for nothing. They also traded Lindholm and Hanifin for Hamilton and Ferland and let Ryan go for nothing.
  
• Canes started the season with the following centers: Aho (who had never played C in the NHL), Staal, Wallmark (a rookie with less than 20 NHL games under his belt), and Necas (another rookie with no NHL experience who was quickly sent to the AHL and was replaced by Clark Bishop - another rookie with no NHL experience).
  
• Canes started the season with Scott Darling and Mrazek, a castoff nobody wanted who signed a $1M "show me" deal as their goalies.
  
• Canes came into 18-19 with no players that had been over 70 points, no players over 30 goals (and only 3 that had achieved 20) and only 3 players over 50 points...the prior season.
• Canes came into 18-19 with a rookie head coach, Waddell as the GM and a low payroll.
• Canes 1st round draft picks since their last playoff appearance: 7, 12, 8 (traded), 5, 7, 5, 13, 12. Summary: They weren't a very good team during those years.

People generally viewed Carolina as a team with terrible center depth, bottom 5 forwards and crappy goaltending. Very few viewed them as a decent team at the start of last season.

You forgot that the Canes also had a cheap new owner who was staffing the organization with no regard to ability but rather according to how little compensation someone would take to accept a position. An owner who knew nothing about hockey and was foolishly putting together a committee to run the organization instead of using the traditional NHL structure. Or, perhaps he was using the Committee as a way to make it easier for him to micromanage the Canes despite his complete ignorance about the sport. Either way, by the time the Canes drafted Svech, Dundon was already well on his way to turning the Canes into one of the worst franchises in the history of the NHL. I know know this to be true because I read it on HF Boards.

 

[ricky0034]

10 goals so far tied with Aho

That (Teräväinen - Aho - Svechnikov) line is perhaps one the best line in NHL

did you fall into a coma and forget that lines like Draisaitl-McDavid-Whocares and Marchand-Bergeron-Pastrnak exist?

anyways as for Svechnikov he was always a really good prospect and there's a reason he easily went 2nd in his draft class,people just got distracted by how good Dahlin is and it kinda overshadowed him a bit

 

[Hostile Offer]

He was expected to be on pace for ~39/51/90 at the quarter point?

I was optimistic for Top 6-type production (50-60 point range) D+2. Through 21 games, he's giving them franchise player-type numbers. He's a big reason why Carolina is knocking on the door of the Top 5 in GF/G right now. He deserves to have his tires pumped.

Really? I thought given better opportunities he could've easily been that last year. One more year of seasoning and boom. This is not surprising. Kid is a beast and always was.

 

[karhukissa]

did you fall into a coma and forget that lines like Draisaitl-McDavid-Whocares and Marchand-Bergeron-Pastrnak exist?

I believe he said one of the best lines, not the best.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Really? I thought given better opportunities he could've easily been that last year. One more year of seasoning and boom. This is not surprising. Kid is a beast and always was.

Easily a 39G/90 point player last year? That’s a stretch (if that’s what you meant). It was more than opportunity, he’s a much better and more confident player this year. Not just offensively, his 2 way play is vastly improved as well.

The highest point total of any rookie in the past 10 years is Barzal’s 85. The highest goal total is Matthews 40. Svechnikov would have to have been the best rookie since Crosby and Ovi if he hit those numbers . Nothing easy about it.

 

[Hostile Offer]

Easily a 39G/90 point player last year? That’s a stretch (if that’s what you meant). It was more than opportunity, he’s a much better and more confident player this year. Not just offensively, his 2 way play is vastly improved as well.

The highest point total of any rookie in the past 10 years is Barzal’s 85. The highest goal total is Matthews 40. Svechnikov would have to have been the best rookie since Crosby and Ovi if he hit those numbers . Nothing easy about it.

No, I meant the 50-60 point range which you thought he'd be like this year. Should've been more clear on that.

 

[Atas2000]

He was expected to be on pace for ~39/51/90 at the quarter point?

I was optimistic for Top 6-type production (50-60 point range) D+2. Through 21 games, he's giving them franchise player-type numbers. He's a big reason why Carolina is knocking on the door of the Top 5 in GF/G right now. He deserves to have his tires pumped.

Since age 15 the expectation was he is going to be a 100pts player once in the NHL. But what do we Russians know about our prospects?

 

[AhoLottaLove]

I see some of you are just never surprised by anything. Must be nice.

 

[Roboturner913]

I believe he said one of the best lines, not the best.

HFboards rule #32: Not allowed for Carolina Hurricanes to claim having the best of, or one of the best of anything, without some measure of pushback

learn it, live it, know it

 

[MinJaBen]

HFboards rule #32: Not allowed for Carolina Hurricanes to claim having the best of, or one of the best of anything, without some measure of pushback

learn it, live it, know it

Well, I'm breaking the rules, then:

 

[Roboturner913]

uh oh, now you've gone and done it

 

[tarheelhockey]

Since age 15 the expectation was he is going to be a 100pts player once in the NHL. But what do we Russians know about our prospects?

If the expectation was that he would be a 90 point player as a teenager, that was a completely ridiculous expectation.

In the entire history of the NHL, only 9 players have ever hit 90 points at Svech's age. 6 of those happened during the scoring-inflated 1980s (though to be fair, two of those were Gretzky and Lemieux). The others were Bryan Trottier in the 1970s, and then Sidney Crosby and Steven Stamkos.

In all likelihood Svech will cool off and not join that list. It would be completely absurd to just casually say he ought to land in a category occupied by only the VERY highest scorers in NHL history.

 

[bleedgreen]

He’s a pretty unique player. A high drafted Russian who plays an old school power forward game. Today’s game really doesn’t have many guys who play a true heavy game like his. He has none of the stylings of Ovechkin/Kovalchuk. He isn’t very fast through the neutral zone, he doesn’t have many dangles or sharp cuts to the middle to get off a shot off the rush. He’s more of a bowling ball who gets momentum up and can’t be slowed down, a beast on the cycle with surprising playmaking vision. The shot is already one of the best in the league. He’s surprising goalies right now, they’re barely moving.

He also has that thing. Star players know when it’s time to make a big play, and they just grab the moment and force something. He’s been doing that this year, really wanting the puck when it matters because he believes he can make the difference. That’s the really fun part about watching him.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

Really? I thought given better opportunities he could've easily been that last year. One more year of seasoning and boom. This is not surprising. Kid is a beast and always was.

Brind'Amour pulling the PPG+ center from the half-wall on the 1st PP unit has been a surprise. I expected EV growth (~55 per 82 thus far), but not for him to get the touches he's getting on the PP and those have really boosted his numbers (~35 per 82 thus far).

 

[Atas2000]

If the expectation was that he would be a 90 point player as a teenager, that was a completely ridiculous expectation.

In the entire history of the NHL, only 9 players have ever hit 90 points at Svech's age. 6 of those happened during the scoring-inflated 1980s (though to be fair, two of those were Gretzky and Lemieux). The others were Bryan Trottier in the 1970s, and then Sidney Crosby and Steven Stamkos.

In all likelihood Svech will cool off and not join that list. It would be completely absurd to just casually say he ought to land in a category occupied by only the VERY highest scorers in NHL history.

He was considered a McDavid caliber prospect. Period.

You tell me in which category McDavid belongs.

I also have not said he was expected to be a 90pts player right away or as a teenager, just that he was expected to be a 100pts player in in his career(like McDavid). Breaking out in his second season as a 19y.o. is very much what I expected from him. He is that kind of good. And he was as a 15-16y.o. in Kazan. Way ahead of his older brother. A rare talent. That is also probably why I am that demanding when it comes to expectations with him.

 

[tarheelhockey]

He was considered a McDavid caliber prospect. Period.

Then I stand by my prior comment — that expectation was absurd.

 

[Gurglesons]

Probably my favorite forward in the league that isn’t on my team. Hope he comes back and knocks Ovie out.

 

[Waterbuf]

He was considered a McDavid caliber prospect. Period.

No. Period.

 

[max21]

Probably my favorite forward in the league that isn’t on my team. Hope he comes back and knocks Ovie out.

Lmao

 

[Brucelenok]

He was considered a McDavid caliber prospect. Period.

You tell me in which category McDavid belongs.

I also have not said he was expected to be a 90pts player right away or as a teenager, just that he was expected to be a 100pts player in in his career(like McDavid). Breaking out in his second season as a 19y.o. is very much what I expected from him. He is that kind of good. And he was as a 15-16y.o. in Kazan. Way ahead of his older brother. A rare talent. That is also probably why I am that demanding when it comes to expectations with him.

Svech was NEVER and I repeat NEVER was considered McDavid level prospect. For the last 30 years only four players considered as such: Lindros, Daigle, Ovechkin, Crosby and now McDavid. Only hardcore biased Russian fans could've made such a silly statement just like a lot of Canadians fans make biased comments here.

However I always considered him to be Eichel/Matthews/Laine type of prospect.

 

[Khomutov]

Svech was NEVER and I repeat NEVER was considered McDavid level prospect. For the last 30 years only four players considered as such: Lindros, Daigle, Ovechkin, Crosby and now McDavid. Only hardcore biased Russian fans could've made such a silly statement just like a lot of Canadians fans make biased comments here.

However I always considered him to be Eichel/Matthews/Laine type of prospect.

You forgot Malkin.