Speculation: All things Spezza Round II - This time it's business!

[HSF]

if you look at the initial offer murray took

Penner / Cogs / Smid

that would have been a very good return for heatley the thing is though heatley has much more power in where he wanted to go and it seemed like he wanted to go to a single team

 

[Karl Cowensson]

if you look at the initial offer murray took

Penner / Cogs / Smid

that would have been a very good return for heatley the thing is though heatley has much more power in where he wanted to go and it seemed like he wanted to go to a single team

Yeah as terrible as that trade was, its pretty well known that Heatley handcuffed the team in terms of a destination. The Sharks knew they could get it done dirt cheap and I'm sure Murray only got Michalek by taking Cheechoo. Imagine the return if he refused to take Cheechoo, or the circus of keeping Heatley!

 

[benjiv1]

Vermette
Samuelsson
2014 1st Rd Pick

For Spezza + Gryba

Then


Weircioch
Prince
Puempel
2nd Rd Pick

For Erhoff + Stewart

MacArthur-Turris-Ryan
Michalek-Zibanejad-Stewart
Hoffman-Vermette-Stone
Greening-Smith-Neil

Methot-Karlsson
Erhoff-Cowen
Phillips-Ceci

 

[Benjamin]

Vermette
Samuelsson
2014 1st Rd Pick

For Spezza + Gryba

Then


Weircioch
Prince
Puempel
2nd Rd Pick

For Erhoff + Stewart

MacArthur-Turris-Ryan
Michalek-Zibanejad-Stewart
Hoffman-Vermette-Stone
Greening-Smith-Neil

Methot-Karlsson
Erhoff-Cowen
Phillips-Ceci

Like the 1st trade. Hate the 2nd trade.

 

[benjiv1]

Like the 1st trade. Hate the 2nd trade.

Yah, I don't really want Stewart, but it really seems like Murray does based on TM's comments.

 

[shibster]

Your expectations are way too high. Why would the Blues, who believe they are contenders, deal away core players? And as others have mentioned, Schwartz's value is higher than Spezza's - 21 years old, under team control for another 5 years, and already a top-6 forward with the potential to be a top-line LW.

Oshie might be available, although I think the Blues would want to pair Oshie up with Spezza.

Well, one reason is that Spezza would instantly become their best forward and primary powerplay option. That's their biggest area of need when you look at their team.

I highly doubt either of those players will ever reach the point totals that Spezza has (...and might once again with high-quality wingers).

 

[HSF]

blah dont want Vermette back. I think stewart is a better option than him in terms of top 6 forwards to target.

rather have berglund or bonino if those are the center choices

 

[HSF]

Yah, I don't really want Stewart, but it really seems like Murray does based on TM's comments.

has he made any comments on it recently?

 

[BankStreetParade]

Your expectations are way too high. Why would the Blues, who believe they are contenders, deal away core players? And as others have mentioned, Schwartz's value is higher than Spezza's - 21 years old, under team control for another 5 years, and already a top-6 forward with the potential to be a top-line LW.

Oshie might be available, although I think the Blues would want to pair Oshie up with Spezza.

Only on this forum is a guy with the "potential" to be a first liner worth more than an actual point per game first liner. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.

 

[HSF]

Only on this forum is a guy with the "potential" to be a first liner worth more than an actual point per game first liner. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.

contract length and age play a huge part..Spezza is almost a rental


unless you find a 30 year old number 2 defensemen who is avaliable and only as 1 year left then you wont get that

 

[mcnorth]

A player, a prospect, and a pick?

Silfverberg, Noesen, and a 1st rounder from Anaheim?

Which would mean Spezza for Ryan?

Damnit Murray!

 

[mcnorth]

If we're trading with Columbus again, I'd love to get Boone Jenner.

 

[BankStreetParade]

contract length and age play a huge part..Spezza is almost a rental


unless you find a 30 year old number 2 defensemen who is avaliable and only as 1 year left then you wont get that

Spezza is almost a rental? Since when do guys with 1 year left on their contract count as rentals? I guess MacArthur, Ryan, Methot and Anderson are also all rentals on this team???

 

[HSF]

Spezza is almost a rental? Since when do guys with 1 year left on their contract count as rentals? I guess MacArthur, Ryan, Methot and Anderson are also all rentals on this team???

for a team acquiring him ? of course you wont give up the same for a 1 year player as a 5 year player.

you need to look at both sides

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Anyone who hates on Murray for the sharks trade is lost. What on earth could he have done? Yeah. Keep heatley. But what does that do.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

If we're trading Spezza, the center piece of the trade should be a top 2 dman. Remodel the way this team plays. They have enough skill to score some goals, but it would be a roster better suited to playing better defensively and locking teams down and scoring on the transition where our speed and skill can get put to work.

Spezza for #2 dman, top 6 forward and prospect/draft pick. That's the ideal trade for me.

Then we can shuffle around some of our defensemen for offensive support.

That's an unbelievably high price. Joe Thornton didn't even get that. Not many players will return that kind of package. Let's me real here. I think we will get a borderline top 6 forward with the potential to breakout. (Berglund , wilson)

 

[PoutineSp00nZ]

I just don't think that Berglund makes sense. If the Sens bring a center they need a legit top 6 guy, not a tweener like Berglund. They have too many centers as it is. Pageau and Dacosta can be given a shot instead of bringing in another to add to the logjam.

I really hope he isn't the centerpiece

 

[HSF]

I just don't think that Berglund makes sense. If the Sens bring a center they need a legit top 6 guy, not a tweener like Berglund. They have too many centers as it is. Pageau and Dacosta can be given a shot instead of bringing in another to add to the logjam.

I really hope he isn't the centerpiece

i am not a huge fan os his but some people argue that him being a 20 goal scorer makes him a top 6 winger also he might be surpressed offensively due to being on St Louis (kind of like perron)

 

[John Holmes*]

Yes, why would anyone blame Murray for the Heatley trade?

He only gave the guy a 7 year contract that made him practically unmoveable.

He handcuffs himself, shrugs and says hey...I'm handcuffed here!

Give me an overpriced broken down sniper that I will buy out, a guy with no knees and a pick I can throw away on a rental.

I actually am starting to get excited about how bad the Spezza trade is going to be.

A 3rd liner with a bum shoulder, an AHL guy worse than 5 we already have and a crap pick in a crap draft!

Great job!

 

[Burrowsaurus]

I straight-up hate that return for Spezza. There's only the tiniest shred of hope of one of those assets becoming an impact player. Blues make that trade every day of the week.

If Spezza goes to the Blues I'd want at least Oshie or Schwartz coming back. People seem high on Shattenkirk, but I'd want to aim higher.

Which is why blues hang up. Schwartz will not be moved. If this is two years ago. Yeah. We probably get Schwartz +. Schwartz is more valuable than oshie. Not to be a hindsight analyst but this team should have cleaned house in 09. Spezza for a huge return. Alfie for a huge return. Phillips. Neil. When these players had real value. Live and learn. We could have gotten Schwartz like players back for Alfie and spezza with term on their contracts.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Berglund doesn't do anything for me. Even if he wasn't the primary peice id be like really? I'm tired of slow players.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

I just don't think that Berglund makes sense. If the Sens bring a center they need a legit top 6 guy, not a tweener like Berglund. They have too many centers as it is. Pageau and Dacosta can be given a shot instead of bringing in another to add to the logjam.

I really hope he isn't the centerpiece

Blues fans are saying he plays mostly wing. Either way. A lackluster player to get back for our now former franchise player.

 

[Micklebot]

That's an unbelievably high price. Joe Thornton didn't even get that. Not many players will return that kind of package. Let's me real here. I think we will get a borderline top 6 forward with the potential to breakout. (Berglund , wilson)

The Thornton return was brutal, the only reason Boston isn't laughed at as milburyesque for that one is because of their luck in Muckler making a Norris defender available for nothing the very next off-season.

Sturm, Primeau and Stuart were never going to amount to much and everyone knew it.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

The Thornton return was brutal, the only reason Boston isn't laughed at as milburyesque for that one is because of their luck in Muckler making a Norris defender available for nothing the very next off-season.

Sturm, Primeau and Stuart were never going to amount to much and everyone knew it.

Which makes it more obvious that we won't be getting the huge deal previously mentioned.

 

[DylanSensFan]

https://twitter.com/AJonSports/status/477258853055082496

Looks like the blues are one of the serious teams and the main guy coming back is berglund.

****ing unacceptable.

We should be looking to get defenders, not forwards.