Rumor: All purpose Kessel trade rumours thread

[FanaticalFan]

Flyers just shed 8 million in cap (Pronger/Grossman)
Anything Pittsburgh offers, I'd make sure Ed Snider found out.

you do realize that all the flyers did was free up summertime cap space with Pronger since he doesn't really count against the cap during the season since he is on LTIR

 

[pooleboy]

Pouliot + Kapenen + 2016 first + Kunitz for Kessel + Pits 2nd

I would be happy with this trade.

 

[Stephen]

Pittsburgh and their weak offer can take a hike.

 

[jaric1862]

Im betting there asking for maata, but pittsburghs saying no. They will probably find something inbetween (without maata, but more than theyre currently offering). Maybe somehwere else will land kessel if they dont get the right price (Nashville maybe)

 

[Trapper]

Pittsburgh and their weak offer can take a hike.

It wouldn't surprise me if the Flyers pulled in Sharp.
I'd be waiting to see if Pittsburgh will panic.

 

[Trapper]

you do realize that all the flyers did was free up summertime cap space with Pronger since he doesn't really count against the cap during the season since he is on LTIR

It still affects you to a certain extent.
http://www.fearthefin.com/2010/9/18/1697231/hockey-101-long-term-injury

Now it's gone.

 

[jaric1862]

I could even see something with St.Louis since they need a game-breaker. We could defianetly flip assets which we get in that trade somewhere else and get more futures (Oshie,Stasnhy,Backes even)

 

[Ovate]

I hope Florida trades for Sharp. They don't seem interested in Kessel, so it doesn't diminish the market for him. Plus, I think they're willing to overpay at this point, which sets the market for scoring wingers.

 

[Mess]

Burke ended up surrendering 2 X top 10 picks including a #2 overall and a high 2nd rounder and now the Leafs are unable to get even a single top 10 pick in return for their sniper who is regularly a PPG player.

Offers include cap dumps and salary retention requests just to try and extract a prospect here or there from teams.

Even Burkie who loves Kessel wouldn't offer up a Sam Bennett or draft pick package. Flames had no problem offering 1st and 2nds for Doug Hamilton who was only a part of the Kessel trade and not the biggest part which was Seguin.

Had Flames offered Bennett a former top 5 pick + 15th overall + 2nd for Kessel he would be a Flame right now. However they realize he is not worth anything close to the cost that Leafs paid and have no interest in making a similar mistake again.

Leafs are going to struggle finding a trade destination for Kessel and get anything remotely close to what they paid for him.

 

[JackJ]

Burke ended up surrendering 2 X top 10 picks including a #2 overall and a high 2nd rounder and now the Leafs are unable to get even a single top 10 pick in return for their sniper who is regularly a PPG player.

Offers include cap dumps and salary retention requests just to try and extract a prospect here of there from teams.

"but he's a top 10 player"

 

[Garbs]

Burke ended up surrendering 2 X top 10 picks including a #2 overall and a high 2nd rounder and now the Leafs are unable to get even a single top 10 pick in return for their sniper who is regularly a PPG player.

Offers include cap dumps and salary retention requests just to try and extract a prospect here of there from teams.

Breaking news, a 21 year old RFA coming off his greatest season is worth more than a 27 year old making $8 million dollars for the next 7 years, coming off one of his worst.

 

[RinaldoZac]

Flyers fan here.... Yes we cleared cap but Hextall has said repeatedly he will not sacrifice the future. Voracek's contact comes to an end this season, he is going to get PAID... There is no way the Flyers can afford Phil Kessel, unless Leafs take bad contracts (Andrew MacDonald and Vinny) and I still think I'd be highly unlikely given it will take a lot more than that...

 

[deleteme24]

Burke ended up surrendering 2 X top 10 picks including a #2 overall and a high 2nd rounder and now the Leafs are unable to get even a single top 10 pick in return for their sniper who is regularly a PPG player.

Offers include cap dumps and salary retention requests just to try and extract a prospect here or there from teams.

Even Burkie who loves Kessel wouldn't offer up a Sam Bennett or draft pick package. Flames had no problem offering 1st and 2nds for Doug Hamilton who was only a part of the Kessel trade and not the biggest part which was Seguin.

Had Flames offered Bennett a former top 5 pick + 15th overall + 2nd for Kessel he would be a Flame right now. However they realize he is not worth anything close to the cost that Leafs paid and have no interest in making a similar mistake again.

Leafs are going to struggle finding a trade destination for Kessel and get anything remotely close to what they paid for him.

This is really sad, but unfortunately, really true as well.

 

[Trapper]

Burke ended up surrendering 2 X top 10 picks including a #2 overall and a high 2nd rounder and now the Leafs are unable to get even a single top 10 pick in return for their sniper who is regularly a PPG player.

Offers include cap dumps and salary retention requests just to try and extract a prospect here or there from teams.

Even Burkie who loves Kessel wouldn't offer up a Sam Bennett or draft pick package. Flames had no problem offering 1st and 2nds for Doug Hamilton who was only a part of the Kessel trade and not the biggest part which was Seguin.

Had Flames offered Bennett a former top 5 pick + 15th overall + 2nd for Kessel he would be a Flame right now. However they realize he is not worth anything close to the cost that Leafs paid and have no interest in making a similar mistake again.

Leafs are going to struggle finding a trade destination for Kessel and get anything remotely close to what they paid for him.

That's the nature of the beast when you've committed 8 million for 7 years.
If Kessel had been traded in the last year of his 5 million deal, jackpot. We could very well have a Jones/Maatta/Lindholm D from the return alone.
Now it gets much harder.

Limited NTC
Salary cap
Salary retention
Return
Many things have to line up and we may have to keep him. You just have to hope the value doesn't decrease. His list of teams may decide to pursue Sharp/Oshie/Skinner/St. Louis etc. while we ask for a certain price. Then those teams are committed.

 

[Durrr]

you do realize that all the flyers did was free up summertime cap space with Pronger since he doesn't really count against the cap during the season since he is on LTIR

Cap space is cap space lol, they wouldn't be able to fit Kessel during the offseason without getting rid of that contract.

 

[deleteme24]

Flyers fan here.... Yes we cleared cap but Hextall has said repeatedly he will not sacrifice the future. Voracek's contact comes to an end this season, he is going to get PAID... There is no way the Flyers can afford Phil Kessel, unless Leafs take bad contracts (Andrew MacDonald and Vinny) and I still think I'd be highly unlikely given it will take a lot more than that...

I'll do Vinny+2016 1st and a younger prospect (Morin, Laughton?) for Kessel. Thank you very much!

 

[The CyNick]

Burke ended up surrendering 2 X top 10 picks including a #2 overall and a high 2nd rounder and now the Leafs are unable to get even a single top 10 pick in return for their sniper who is regularly a PPG player.

Offers include cap dumps and salary retention requests just to try and extract a prospect here or there from teams.

Even Burkie who loves Kessel wouldn't offer up a Sam Bennett or draft pick package. Flames had no problem offering 1st and 2nds for Doug Hamilton who was only a part of the Kessel trade and not the biggest part which was Seguin.

Had Flames offered Bennett a former top 5 pick + 15th overall + 2nd for Kessel he would be a Flame right now. However they realize he is not worth anything close to the cost that Leafs paid and have no interest in making a similar mistake again.

Leafs are going to struggle finding a trade destination for Kessel and get anything remotely close to what they paid for him.

apples and oranges

 

[Durrr]

Burke ended up surrendering 2 X top 10 picks including a #2 overall and a high 2nd rounder and now the Leafs are unable to get even a single top 10 pick in return for their sniper who is regularly a PPG player.

Offers include cap dumps and salary retention requests just to try and extract a prospect here or there from teams.

Even Burkie who loves Kessel wouldn't offer up a Sam Bennett or draft pick package. Flames had no problem offering 1st and 2nds for Doug Hamilton who was only a part of the Kessel trade and not the biggest part which was Seguin.

Had Flames offered Bennett a former top 5 pick + 15th overall + 2nd for Kessel he would be a Flame right now. However they realize he is not worth anything close to the cost that Leafs paid and have no interest in making a similar mistake again.

Leafs are going to struggle finding a trade destination for Kessel and get anything remotely close to what they paid for him.

This is not even close to true. Offers HAVE to include cap dumps and salary retention, otherwise they can't take on the cap hit. Cap system 101.

People freaking out that we can't get a top 10 pick or haven't traded him seriously need to stop whining. Not many teams in the top 10 draft selection have the need for Kessel, they're either rebuilding or not close enough to contending to buy a player like Kessel.

This doesn't mean that Kessel isn't worth a top pick, it means that teams that are bad enough to have those picks DONT NEED A SCORING WINGER. Pretending that the Flames "knew he wasn't worth it", is just plain ridiculous. They just had a need for a top defender more then a winger. And why would the flames offer Bennett and the 15th overall lol? This post is full of ridiculous assumptions and inaccuracies.

The trade will be centered on a middle pack team, around a valuable prospect and unknown 2016 first.

 

[Mess]

"but he's a top 10 player"

The best and only real offer the Leafs pursued this draft weekend included the Pens that demanded they take 2 cap dumps 36 year of Rob Scudari (2 X $3.75 mil) and either Kunitz (35) (2 X $3.85 mil) or Dupuis (36) (2 X $3.75 mil) balances remaining back in exchange and that is so the Leafs can get prospect Derrick Pouliot out of them and then since they didn't own a 1st in 2015 this year they will wait until Leafs pay the $4 mil signing bonus owed Kessel on July 1st if they decide to include their 2016 1st rounder in the deal.

Well if you combine Scudari $3.75 and Kunitz at $3.85 mil caps = $7.6 mil and Kessel's cap is $8 mil so basically the Pens cap dumps cover Kessel's cap hit as an offset for the next 2 years.

This is what Pens beat writer Rossi told Leafs lunch today.

 

[slozo]

Scuderi, Pouliot, 2016 1st, and Kunitz isn't too bad, but without Maatta in this deal, it needs a touch more. Maybe have us throw in Gardiner (or maybe better, Percy) then they give us Maatta...or if that's too crazy, then we add a guy like Erixon and they add a very good prospect.

 

[Morbo]

Burke ended up surrendering 2 X top 10 picks including a #2 overall and a high 2nd rounder and now the Leafs are unable to get even a single top 10 pick in return for their sniper who is regularly a PPG player.

Offers include cap dumps and salary retention requests just to try and extract a prospect here or there from teams.

Even Burkie who loves Kessel wouldn't offer up a Sam Bennett or draft pick package. Flames had no problem offering 1st and 2nds for Doug Hamilton who was only a part of the Kessel trade and not the biggest part which was Seguin.

Had Flames offered Bennett a former top 5 pick + 15th overall + 2nd for Kessel he would be a Flame right now. However they realize he is not worth anything close to the cost that Leafs paid and have no interest in making a similar mistake again.

Leafs are going to struggle finding a trade destination for Kessel and get anything remotely close to what they paid for him.

you're basing this on media conjecture, rumours that are very likely to be BS, and your innate desire to see the Leafs fail so you can post about it here.

 

[Sniper99]

Pouliot doesnt look like such a great prospect...

We need to get some forward in return for Kessel

Needs to be Kapanen and 1st as starting point

Then you probably never saw Pouliot play for Portland. Such a good puck moving dman future pp QB. I'll take him any day.

 

[Glenn Isildur Healy]

I don't think there are many suitors for Kessel and for that reason, the Leafs may not get as much in return as they hope

The Leafs are not in the driver seat right now. Their the ones who need to unload Kessel so they can start their rebuild and not turn this into the situation that has been occuring in Vancouver

 

[Durrr]

The best and only real offer the Leafs pursued this draft weekend included the Pens that demanded they take 2 cap dumps 36 year of Rob Scudari (2 X $3.75 mil) and either Kunitz (35) (2 X $3.85 mil) or Dupuis (36) (2 X $3.75 mil) balances remaining back in exchange and that is so the Leafs can get prospect Derrick Pouliot out of them and then since they didn't own a 1st in 2015 this year they will wait until Leafs pay the $4 mil signing bonus owed Kessel on July 1st if they decide to include their 2016 1st rounder in the deal.

Well if you combine Scudari $3.75 and Kunitz at $3.85 mil caps = $7.6 mil and Kessel's cap is $8 mil so basically the Pens cap dumps cover Kessel's cap hit as an offset for the next 2 years.

This is what Pens beat writer Rossi told Leafs lunch today.

I fail to see why the cap hits of the players returning really takes anything away from the trade lol. You realize they simply could not fit Kessel without giving back equal cap hits right?

The problem was the Pens really don't have enough to offer on top of that.

 

[Durrr]

you're basing this on media conjecture, rumours that are very likely to be BS, and your innate desire to see the Leafs fail so you can post about it here.

Thank you. I'm glad someone else can see how brutal that was. Not much fact at all in that post, and sadly it mirrors a lot of "opinions" around here.