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  1. Mr. Make-Believe

    Mr. Make-Believe Pass me another nail

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    Previous thread: Proposal: - Bruins Trade Proposals X - Mod in OP

    Please stay on subject and try to have some reasoning behind your proposals.

    Why team(s) do this, CAP, NMC, NTC, etc....


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    This is NOT to discuss past drafts.

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    No to Carter. 100%

    Toffoli and Muzzin more on board with as well.
     
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    As long as you keep posting this I’ll keep replying that moving McAvoy for a 35 year old Keith is a bad bad idea IMO. On off chance B’s management reads this I’d like them to know that at least on 45+ year fan would hate them for this.

    If I’m reading you right you’re ditching Krug AND McAvoy. Good Lord that’s bad. Stop this, please.
     
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    If the Bruins ever do decide to trade McAvoy, I sure hope it wouldn't be in a deal that brings back a 35 year-old Duncan Keith and Brandon Saad, no matter how much salary is retained.

    The return should be for a future Number one center...ala, Pierre Luc Dubois, Barkov, Barzal, Draisaitl, McKinnon, Eichel, Scheifele or a Monohan.
     
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    What is there to understand? You’re trading a 21 year old defenseman that has played in the top pairing since breaking into the NHL that has a 0.65PPG and is a +4 for a 35 year old who’s 0.43PPG and a -3. Saad is ok but he’s not as good as Voracek.

    You can’t predict what these players might make next year when you’re doing these trades. And who says Philadelphia wouldn’t retain on Voracek if Boston sweetens the deal?
     
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    its easy enough to hate my trades without misrepresenting them. I take great care to make my trades cap compliant. you might disagree with the talent involved

    to be honest... 99% of people here disagree with the talent of any trade that gets made. I don't take it personal if you disagree with my trades. disagreement is disagreement is disagreement

    but try to get the facts straight. I make sure to always make my trades cap compliant
     
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    actually my McAvoy trade was specifically made to keep krug

    I don't see a world where we keep both. if both are still here in 2 years necro this post and laugh at me

    but its 1 or the other as far as im predicting... im really sorry that this stuff is hard for you all to hear. it would be more fun for me too if I could also be naïve and clueless.

    I lost that ability at least 30 years ago when terry oreillys career was cut short with injuries. after that I decided to try to be more realistic when following the team

    im sure you were very upset when thornton, kessel, seguin, Hamilton were dealt. personally, I don't get too surprised. I follow the bruins close and watch how they operate and I end up being pretty accurate with the majority of my thoughts

    we shall see who boston moves... I hope McAvoy stays... but its not written in stone
     
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    I think factors like the cap and the expansion draft will factor into the moves we make
     
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    We need more size in our top 9, TB exposed us last year in the playoffs. I'm betting that whoever Sweeney acquires will have size, skill and a degree of physicality. The 2 Sens players don't fit that bill.
     
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    Why? :huh:

    Makes no sense to trade McAvoy in order to keep Krug.

    If anything deal Krug this off season/draft day in a deal, where he'll be entering his RFA period. Instead of trading a potential future number one Defenseman for the next 10-12 years.
     
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    That’s great, and the trade I proposed works if you move Backes next summer and sign Chara for $3M. I’ve also said you could add a mid level prospect to see if Philadelphia would retain on Voracek.
     
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    I remember Carey making a brief stop in Providence a few years ago, been trying to remember how he ended up here without looking it up but struggling
     
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    99% of my posts say keep McAvoy... trade krug

    krugs fans all hate me

    but im trying to think if we are talking to Chicago... what are we talking about? how does it make sense? the rumor is we are asking for saed. how is that affordable? whats going on? what is the discussion?

    last year the bruins included salary retention and cap dumps. it happens sometimes
    is it under discussion now?

    boston will have to give McAvoy a new contract next year. does Jacobs have a history of handing out 6 million dollar contracts to unproven guys? will McAvoy sign for less? will it become a contract problem?

    Jacobs has always liked the idea to go get vetern dmen. from the days of park, Larson, lapointe and moving to coffey and iafrate and gonchar and right up to recent days of leetch and redden... I think he likes big name vet dmen

    does he actually have an influence? is it sinden? who is the one that gets us to be the home of so many hof vet dmen on their last legs

    I try to follow what happens in reality and I try to offer up deals that follow reality. but don't worry... ive never been able to get one right yet. I get close to the thinking the team does but theres billions of possible pieces at play. guessing the pieces is hard
     
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    Wasnt he already traded to us a few years ago? Think he came from Colorado
     
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    Is this you channeling Chiarelli? I appreciate the thought process but this is the kind of deal that's set this team back looking for those mid 20's players that Pete was either unable to draft or traded away...
     
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    you might have to also figure out some rfa contracts. I thought we were moving backes and slashing chara to be able to afford McAvoy and carlo not to mention the huge cap overspend we will suffer this year after the trade
     
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    Was part of the legendary Jordan Caron trade. Weymouth boy. Related to former Vezina winner and Bruins goalie Jim Carey (I think he's his nephew).
     
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    This is true but never at the expense of a young potential number one 21 year-old defenseman.
    I'd love keith on this team and Saad but not for McAvoy.
     
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    no doubt we will miss McAvoy in 6-7 years

    does the deal help us enough in the next 3 years to make sense?

    when we traded Wesley... we missed him... but did the trade work for us?
    when we traded mccrimmond we missed him... and maybe the trade didn't work

    not all trades work... some do... you don't just tell yourself its impossible to trade good looking kid dmen

    if LA held onto berg or if carilina held onto pitkanen or if montreal held onto komasarek or if Winnipeg held onto the guy they traded to buffalo... how do those decesions effect those teams fortunes?

    Detroit held onto joly for awhile... and Ottawa held onto phillips… did that make a difference?

    I could give a list of 50 names of dmen who come into the nhl… end up on the first pair in their rookie season... and basically fade off into the woodwork

    and lots of dmen that play on the 3rd pair for a few years and then become studs

    how did seth jones do his first couple years... or victor hedman… what were brent burns and dustin byfuglin doing in their first couple years?

    im sorry... but knowing how a dman will develop is pretty tricky stuff

    im not sure the bruins have an appetite to pay a 21 year old 6 mill a year and cross their fingers
     
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    McAvoy is our future #1 D. There is nothing on Chicago that I would take for him including Patrick Kane and Jonathan Toews. That is how high I rank McAvoy's future.
     
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    I'm not sure how they'd set the 2nd line with Saad but anyways with him Boston has 4 top6 wingers.

    I really want to see a move this deadline for a player u30 with some term left.

    You simply don't deal McAvoy, and not especially for cap/expansion reasons.
     
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    I hate being on this side of this argument lol

    I want to cheer McAvoy in the uniform of the bruins for the next 15 years and tell everyone he is one of the top 10 greats of all time when his career comes to an end

    honestly one of my saddest things is I didn't get to tell people that barry Pederson was as great as wayne gretzky. before we traded Pederson I used to argue that with the kids in school. I was a HUGE barry Pederson fan

    the angriest I ever got at the team was the day they traded barry Pederson for some bum named cam neely and a pick. I was ready to scream... I did scream.

    3-4 years later I calmed down.

    but that was one super hard trade for me to accept
     
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    The great thing is I don’t have to figure any of this out.

    I’ll predict that Mcavoy and Carlo come in at $8.5-9M next year with Mcavoy making $5.5 and Carlo signing a bridge deal at $3.

    Philadelphia retains $3M on Voracek if we make the pick a 2nd rounder and throw in Cehlarik. That’s +$4M in cap this year. Then you factor in moving Backes and slashing Chara, there’s around $9M to sign Mcavoy and Carlo.
     
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    I will agree he wouldn't be traded for those reasons... if he is going to be traded its because Jacobs hates paying guys under certain circumtances. the last very talented kids we paid before they were well established was seguin. we see that the brain trust was very mixed feelings about him in that behind the bs show. they all realized he was talented but he wasn't a typical bruin

    thornton was in the same boat once upon a time

    Hamilton/kessel were a bit different. maybe Hamilton wanted out? maybe we were willing to keep him? people don't agree on the details there

    kessels situation might have more to it too

    but theres no denying that the history of the bruins and how they trade extremely talented young players 3-4 years into their careers is pretty much the worst in the nhl

    as fans we don't need to like it... but to deny that it ever happens is just wrong
     
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    Not the top six winger we have been asking for that’s for sure
     
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