Proposal: All Bruins Trade Talk - MOD warning in OP

[WhalerTurnedBruin55]

I don`t want Carter, now Toffoli and Muzzin would be interesting

No to Carter. 100%

Toffoli and Muzzin more on board with as well.

 

[Number8]

I proposed keith and saad 1/2 retained at a cap hit of less than 6 mill they let us send 2 to the minors so around a 4 mill addition to the cap

you have schenn and oracek coming in around 13 mill less krugs 5 mill and heinens 1 so around a 7 mill addition

im sending McAvoy out who will be 6 mill next year so ive accounted for every penny I spent

you are only sending krug and Heinen away who probably are due to make around 9 next year... leaving 4 mill additional cost on the books

maybe you were opposed to my proposal mostly because you didn't read it through and understand it?

As long as you keep posting this I’ll keep replying that moving McAvoy for a 35 year old Keith is a bad bad idea IMO. On off chance B’s management reads this I’d like them to know that at least on 45+ year fan would hate them for this.

If I’m reading you right you’re ditching Krug AND McAvoy. Good Lord that’s bad. Stop this, please.

 

[TCB]

I proposed keith and saad 1/2 retained at a cap hit of less than 6 mill they let us send 2 to the minors so around a 4 mill addition to the cap

you have schenn and oracek coming in around 13 mill less krugs 5 mill and heinens 1 so around a 7 mill addition

im sending McAvoy out who will be 6 mill next year so ive accounted for every penny I spent

you are only sending krug and Heinen away who probably are due to make around 9 next year... leaving 4 mill additional cost on the books

maybe you were opposed to my proposal mostly because you didn't read it through and understand it?

If the Bruins ever do decide to trade McAvoy, I sure hope it wouldn't be in a deal that brings back a 35 year-old Duncan Keith and Brandon Saad, no matter how much salary is retained.

The return should be for a future Number one center...ala, Pierre Luc Dubois, Barkov, Barzal, Draisaitl, McKinnon, Eichel, Scheifele or a Monohan.

 

[Mainehockey33]

I proposed keith and saad 1/2 retained at a cap hit of less than 6 mill they let us send 2 to the minors so around a 4 mill addition to the cap

you have schenn and oracek coming in around 13 mill less krugs 5 mill and heinens 1 so around a 7 mill addition

im sending McAvoy out who will be 6 mill next year so ive accounted for every penny I spent

you are only sending krug and Heinen away who probably are due to make around 9 next year... leaving 4 mill additional cost on the books

maybe you were opposed to my proposal mostly because you didn't read it through and understand it?

What is there to understand? You’re trading a 21 year old defenseman that has played in the top pairing since breaking into the NHL that has a 0.65PPG and is a +4 for a 35 year old who’s 0.43PPG and a -3. Saad is ok but he’s not as good as Voracek.

You can’t predict what these players might make next year when you’re doing these trades. And who says Philadelphia wouldn’t retain on Voracek if Boston sweetens the deal?

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

What is there to understand? You’re trading a 21 year old defenseman that has played in the top pairing since breaking into the NHL that has a 0.65PPG and is a +4 for a 35 year old who’s 0.43PPG and a -3. Saad is ok but he’s not as good as Voracek.

You can’t predict what these players might make next year when you’re doing these trades. And who says Philadelphia wouldn’t retain on Voracek if Boston sweetens the deal?

its easy enough to hate my trades without misrepresenting them. I take great care to make my trades cap compliant. you might disagree with the talent involved

to be honest... 99% of people here disagree with the talent of any trade that gets made. I don't take it personal if you disagree with my trades. disagreement is disagreement is disagreement

but try to get the facts straight. I make sure to always make my trades cap compliant

 

[Gee Wally]

Who?

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

As long as you keep posting this I’ll keep replying that moving McAvoy for a 35 year old Keith is a bad bad idea IMO. On off chance B’s management reads this I’d like them to know that at least on 45+ year fan would hate them for this.

If I’m reading you right you’re ditching Krug AND McAvoy. Good Lord that’s bad. Stop this, please.

actually my McAvoy trade was specifically made to keep krug

I don't see a world where we keep both. if both are still here in 2 years necro this post and laugh at me

but its 1 or the other as far as im predicting... im really sorry that this stuff is hard for you all to hear. it would be more fun for me too if I could also be naïve and clueless.

I lost that ability at least 30 years ago when terry oreillys career was cut short with injuries. after that I decided to try to be more realistic when following the team

im sure you were very upset when thornton, kessel, seguin, Hamilton were dealt. personally, I don't get too surprised. I follow the bruins close and watch how they operate and I end up being pretty accurate with the majority of my thoughts

we shall see who boston moves... I hope McAvoy stays... but its not written in stone

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

How is it so necessary to destroy the good work Sweeney has done with rebuilding the defense so fast?

Have we already forgotten the Trotman test?

I think factors like the cap and the expansion draft will factor into the moves we make

 

[SPLBRUIN]

Of that group I like Pageau, Like Hanzals game but too injury prone.
If you talk to Ottawa and they agree to deal in division I would look to add Dzingel as well, and Harpur but I like big, mean D and he fits the mold.

We need more size in our top 9, TB exposed us last year in the playoffs. I'm betting that whoever Sweeney acquires will have size, skill and a degree of physicality. The 2 Sens players don't fit that bill.

 

[TCB]

actually my McAvoy trade was specifically made to keep krug

I don't see a world where we keep both. if both are still here in 2 years necro this post and laugh at me

but its 1 or the other as far as im predicting

Why?

Makes no sense to trade McAvoy in order to keep Krug.

If anything deal Krug this off season/draft day in a deal, where he'll be entering his RFA period. Instead of trading a potential future number one Defenseman for the next 10-12 years.

 

[Mainehockey33]

its easy enough to hate my trades without misrepresenting them. I take great care to make my trades cap compliant. you might disagree with the talent involved

to be honest... 99% of people here disagree with the talent of any trade that gets made. I don't take it personal if you disagree with my trades. disagreement is disagreement is disagreement

but try to get the facts straight. I make sure to always make my trades cap compliant

That’s great, and the trade I proposed works if you move Backes next summer and sign Chara for $3M. I’ve also said you could add a mid level prospect to see if Philadelphia would retain on Voracek.

 

[cheg1349]

Who?

I remember Carey making a brief stop in Providence a few years ago, been trying to remember how he ended up here without looking it up but struggling

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

Why?

Makes no sense to trade McAvoy in order to keep Krug.

If anything deal Krug this off season/draft day in a deal, where he'll be entering his RFA period. Instead of trading a potential future number one Defenseman for the next 10-12 years.

99% of my posts say keep McAvoy... trade krug

krugs fans all hate me

but im trying to think if we are talking to Chicago... what are we talking about? how does it make sense? the rumor is we are asking for saed. how is that affordable? whats going on? what is the discussion?

last year the bruins included salary retention and cap dumps. it happens sometimes
is it under discussion now?

boston will have to give McAvoy a new contract next year. does Jacobs have a history of handing out 6 million dollar contracts to unproven guys? will McAvoy sign for less? will it become a contract problem?

Jacobs has always liked the idea to go get vetern dmen. from the days of park, Larson, lapointe and moving to coffey and iafrate and gonchar and right up to recent days of leetch and redden... I think he likes big name vet dmen

does he actually have an influence? is it sinden? who is the one that gets us to be the home of so many hof vet dmen on their last legs

I try to follow what happens in reality and I try to offer up deals that follow reality. but don't worry... ive never been able to get one right yet. I get close to the thinking the team does but theres billions of possible pieces at play. guessing the pieces is hard

 

[Sevendust]

Who?

Wasnt he already traded to us a few years ago? Think he came from Colorado

 

[AM Bruin]

michaels crazy idea of the day

brandon saed {1/2 contract retained}
Duncan keith {1/2 contract retained}
for
Charlie McAvoy

obviously the immediate knee jerk reaction is we cant give up our 21 year old future Norris winner... but maybe we are jumping the gun calling him a future Norris winner. I mean mattias ohlund entered the league as a future Norris winner. brad stuart did the same. peter svoda was the next bobby orr and so was jay bouwmeister.

whether McAvoy is going to be a guy that dominates the nhl for 15 years or not... he will cost a huge cap hit. in my trade proposal we are picking up chara's replacement {a vet dman that can play 3-zone hockey 22-24 mins a night with cup winning pedigree and leadership} and we are getting a 26 year old power forward with 3 years left on his deal which would only be 3 mill a season after my suggestion

2 cup worthy spots in the lineup filled for under 6 mill cap hit would be HUGE

im loath to let mcavy go but a top7defense of
keith/krug
carlo/chara
miller/moore/gryz
looks pretty damn ok... with Urho and lauzon hanging around to replace chara when needed
I think keith would be a partner for krug that could really cover up a lot of krugs weakness

Is this you channeling Chiarelli? I appreciate the thought process but this is the kind of deal that's set this team back looking for those mid 20's players that Pete was either unable to draft or traded away...

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

That’s great, and the trade I proposed works if you move Backes next summer and sign Chara for $3M. I’ve also said you could add a mid level prospect to see if Philadelphia would retain on Voracek.

you might have to also figure out some rfa contracts. I thought we were moving backes and slashing chara to be able to afford McAvoy and carlo not to mention the huge cap overspend we will suffer this year after the trade

 

[jgatie]

I remember Carey making a brief stop in Providence a few years ago, been trying to remember how he ended up here without looking it up but struggling

Was part of the legendary Jordan Caron trade. Weymouth boy. Related to former Vezina winner and Bruins goalie Jim Carey (I think he's his nephew).

 

[TCB]

99% of my posts say keep McAvoy... trade krug

krugs fans all hate me

but im trying to think if we are talking to Chicago... what are we talking about? how does it make sense? the rumor is we are asking for saed. how is that affordable? whats going on? what is the discussion?

last year the bruins included salary retention and cap dumps. it happens sometimes
is it under discussion now?

boston will have to give McAvoy a new contract next year. does Jacobs have a history of handing out 6 million dollar contracts to unproven guys? will McAvoy sign for less? will it become a contract problem?

Jacobs has always liked the idea to go get vetern dmen. from the days of park, Larson, lapointe and moving to coffey and iafrate and gonchar and right up to recent days of leetch and redden... I think he likes big name vet dmen

does he actually have an influence? is it sinden? who is the one that gets us to be the home of so many hof vet dmen on their last legs

I try to follow what happens in reality and I try to offer up deals that follow reality. but don't worry... ive never been able to get one right yet. I get close to the thinking the team does but theres billions of possible pieces at play. guessing the pieces is hard

This is true but never at the expense of a young potential number one 21 year-old defenseman.
I'd love keith on this team and Saad but not for McAvoy.

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

Is this you channeling Chiarelli? I appreciate the thought process but this is the kind of deal that's set this team back looking for those mid 20's players that Pete was either unable to draft or traded away...

no doubt we will miss McAvoy in 6-7 years

does the deal help us enough in the next 3 years to make sense?

when we traded Wesley... we missed him... but did the trade work for us?
when we traded mccrimmond we missed him... and maybe the trade didn't work

not all trades work... some do... you don't just tell yourself its impossible to trade good looking kid dmen

if LA held onto berg or if carilina held onto pitkanen or if montreal held onto komasarek or if Winnipeg held onto the guy they traded to buffalo... how do those decesions effect those teams fortunes?

Detroit held onto joly for awhile... and Ottawa held onto phillips… did that make a difference?

I could give a list of 50 names of dmen who come into the nhl… end up on the first pair in their rookie season... and basically fade off into the woodwork

and lots of dmen that play on the 3rd pair for a few years and then become studs

how did seth jones do his first couple years... or victor hedman… what were brent burns and dustin byfuglin doing in their first couple years?

im sorry... but knowing how a dman will develop is pretty tricky stuff

im not sure the bruins have an appetite to pay a 21 year old 6 mill a year and cross their fingers

 

[Boston Bandit]

McAvoy is our future #1 D. There is nothing on Chicago that I would take for him including Patrick Kane and Jonathan Toews. That is how high I rank McAvoy's future.

 

[BB88]

Isn't Saad playing RW in Chicago?

I'm not sure how they'd set the 2nd line with Saad but anyways with him Boston has 4 top6 wingers.

I really want to see a move this deadline for a player u30 with some term left.

I think factors like the cap and the expansion draft will factor into the moves we make

You simply don't deal McAvoy, and not especially for cap/expansion reasons.

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

This is true but never at the expense of a young potential number one 21 year-old defenseman.
I'd love keith on this team and Saad but not for McAvoy.

I hate being on this side of this argument lol

I want to cheer McAvoy in the uniform of the bruins for the next 15 years and tell everyone he is one of the top 10 greats of all time when his career comes to an end

honestly one of my saddest things is I didn't get to tell people that barry Pederson was as great as wayne gretzky. before we traded Pederson I used to argue that with the kids in school. I was a HUGE barry Pederson fan

the angriest I ever got at the team was the day they traded barry Pederson for some bum named cam neely and a pick. I was ready to scream... I did scream.

3-4 years later I calmed down.

but that was one super hard trade for me to accept

 

[Mainehockey33]

you might have to also figure out some rfa contracts. I thought we were moving backes and slashing chara to be able to afford McAvoy and carlo not to mention the huge cap overspend we will suffer this year after the trade

The great thing is I don’t have to figure any of this out.

I’ll predict that Mcavoy and Carlo come in at $8.5-9M next year with Mcavoy making $5.5 and Carlo signing a bridge deal at $3.

Philadelphia retains $3M on Voracek if we make the pick a 2nd rounder and throw in Cehlarik. That’s +$4M in cap this year. Then you factor in moving Backes and slashing Chara, there’s around $9M to sign Mcavoy and Carlo.

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

Last game he was listed Lw, but anyways with him you have 4 top6 wingers.



You simply don't deal McAvoy, and not especially for cap/expansion reasons.

I will agree he wouldn't be traded for those reasons... if he is going to be traded its because Jacobs hates paying guys under certain circumtances. the last very talented kids we paid before they were well established was seguin. we see that the brain trust was very mixed feelings about him in that behind the bs show. they all realized he was talented but he wasn't a typical bruin

thornton was in the same boat once upon a time

Hamilton/kessel were a bit different. maybe Hamilton wanted out? maybe we were willing to keep him? people don't agree on the details there

kessels situation might have more to it too

but theres no denying that the history of the bruins and how they trade extremely talented young players 3-4 years into their careers is pretty much the worst in the nhl

as fans we don't need to like it... but to deny that it ever happens is just wrong

 

[Bruinfanatic]

Who?

Not the top six winger we have been asking for that’s for sure