Prospect Info: Alexander Romanov (2018, 38th OA) - KHL, CSKA Moscow: Part IV

[OldCraig71]

Would you please stop bringing fact.....facts are way overrated IMO

Who are you and what facts do you bring to HF that have been disputed by me or others?

 

[teamfirst]

Who are you and what facts do you bring to HF that have been disputed by me or others?

Easy there, i tought it was funny that's all

 

[OldCraig71]

Easy there, i tought it was funny that's all

I'll have to remember that for the next time that you post something.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

Yeah, well Price was still portrait as a top 10 pick. But yeah, we did WTF that pick, not necessarily because of Price himself, but because we had Theo. Romanov was penciled to be a 5th rounder.

Romanov and Timmins have both said that he would have gone later in the second round. They both knew who was watching him.

 

[Habs]

The same way you can call a prospect a miss even though he hasn't played in the NHL yet.

How a prospect develops following his draft has an effect on his value. Romanov is ten times more valuable today than he was 6 months ago.

Therefore, he's a win... So far. I'm thinking this is a fairly simple concept and you're just being obtuse for the hell of it.

and I've been fooled a dozen times before by 'great prospects' in our system, so ... forgive me if I've been down this road before on HF in the last 18 years or so. Get back to me when he's making an impact in the NHL, otherwise I've heard and seen it too many times.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

and I've been fooled a dozen times before by 'great prospects' in our system, so ... forgive me if I've been down this road before on HF in the last 18 years or so. Get back to me when he's making an impact in the NHL, otherwise I've heard and seen it too many times.

Why have an opinion of any sort on prospects then. Who cares what people say, try and develop your own ability to evaluate prospects. If you are wrong too often then you have to reconsider the way in which you watch the game. 99.99% of hockey fans don't actually understand the game at a high enough level to form a credible opinion. They like to quote stats and reiterate common misperceptions but rarely apply critical thinking to their analysis or to the process they use to evaluate talent. When you are wrong enough times the problem is your own ability to arrive to a correct conclusion. This requires you to reevaluate your own beliefs, unfortunately most just search for confirmation bias and wallow in their own ignorance.

 

[Just Linda]

I was apprehensive about typing what I did because I anticipated a response just like this one! You must be the type that blames Price after a goal as well. We got rid of every single Russian player we had and didn't resign Markov when even at his age would have arguably have been our best defender, it is not just a conspiracy theory of mine.

I kept watching Markov the next year in Russia, been keeping track of him this year too. He's not the same as you remember, his speed didn't hold up. He would have not been one of our best 4 last year and definitely not this year.

 

[Lebowski]

I kept watching Markov the next year in Russia, been keeping track of him this year too. He's not the same as you remember, his speed didn't hold up. He would have not been one of our best 4 last year and definitely not this year.

Markov’s speed has been an issue for years. He was still effective on the tail end of his NHL career in spite of that.

Not that I’ve followed him since he left for the KHL, can’t comment on that.

 

[Just Linda]

Markov’s speed has been an issue for years. He was still effective on the tail end of his NHL career in spite of that.

Not that I’ve followed him since he left for the KHL, can’t comment on that.

At the start of the first year, he looked like a slower version of himself but still had all his tools. As the year dragged on though he wasn't the same. By about this time last year the KHL game definitely sped past him, he was still being decent. He was noticable slow in the playoffs against some really good competition.

He doesn't look like himself at all this year. I stopped watching because it's depressing.

 

[OldCraig71]

I kept watching Markov the next year in Russia, been keeping track of him this year too. He's not the same as you remember, his speed didn't hold up. He would have not been one of our best 4 last year and definitely not this year.

Did you get a chance to see Karl Alzner play?

 

[Andrei79]

At the start of the first year, he looked like a slower version of himself but still had all his tools. As the year dragged on though he wasn't the same. By about this time last year the KHL game definitely sped past him, he was still being decent. He was noticable slow in the playoffs against some really good competition.

He doesn't look like himself at all this year. I stopped watching because it's depressing.

Watched most of his playoffs last year and I disagree with you. He was a rock back there and asked to play the tougher matchups.

 

[G0bias]

Nice in-depth look at Romanov's play and progress since the WJCs, by Mitch Brown on The Athletic.

 

[OldCraig71]

Watched most of his playoffs last year and I disagree with you. He was a rock back there and asked to play the tougher matchups.

Stop bringing facts to a pro Bergevin love fest. The general never got the respect that he deserved, he was always a rock for us and I will never forget the disrespect shown to him by our danger artiste GM. People saying he refused an offer, they should just f*** off!!! He was never respected and how could he be? Our lloyd Christmas leader thought that Karl Alzner was better! There is a portion of this board that makes me want to destroy a perfectly functioning key board for! God damn!

 

[HockeyDBspecialist]

in the journal, Bergevin said: "Il est clairement en avance dans son développement. Il pourrait déjà jouer dans la LNH, il a le talent pour ça. Il est le plus jeune joueur de la KHL et il se débrouille très bien avec le CSKA de Moscou."


"He could already play in the NHL"

 

[calder candidate]

Yeah, well Price was still portrait as a top 10 pick. But yeah, we did WTF that pick, not necessarily because of Price himself, but because we had Theo. Romanov was penciled to be a 5th rounder.

Yes Price was a WTF because we had Theo and we had some much bigger needs ( big #1 center) / regardless of how good Price is I would still pick Kopitar.
Romanov I think was a late second round early 3rd on most list there but there was almost zero buzz about him anywhere which make the fact that we pick him earlier seem even like a bigger deal than it should have been...

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Stop bringing facts to a pro Bergevin love fest. The general never got the respect that he deserved, he was always a rock for us and I will never forget the disrespect shown to him by our danger artiste GM. People saying he refused an offer, they should just **** off!!! He was never respected and how could he be? Our lloyd Christmas leader thought that Karl Alzner was better! There is a portion of this board that makes me want to destroy a perfectly functioning key board for! God damn!

It's not the name behind the jersey that matters, nor the crest on the front of it. It's the GM's name that matters.

Marc Bunglevin

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

I don't ever see Romanov playing for this franchise, we have moved on from all of our Russian players. He is probably the prospect with the highest chance of being traded if we try and acquire someone at the tdl.

I don't entirely agree.

I'll still maintain that Timmins was atypically promoted on an experience and years of service basis by Molson's whim, because that went totally against Bergevin's usual MO of cronyism and nepotism.

If I'm right about this, (have to hold off the knee jerkers here) then I think chances are small that Romanov gets traded, especially since Timmins will remind them of the McD mistake, which he was pissed about at the time. With the good drafts he's just had, they'll listen to him.

 

[OldCraig71]

I don't entirely agree.

I'll still maintain that Timmins was atypically promoted on an experience and years of service basis by Molson's whim, because that went totally against Bergevin's usual MO of cronyism and nepotism.

If I'm right about this, (have to hold off the knee jerkers here) then I think chances are small that Romanov gets traded, especially since Timmins will remind them of the McD mistake, which he was pissed about at the time. With the good drafts he's just had, they'll listen to him.

I was surprised that they even drafted Romanov tbh. Hopefully you are right about Timmins, I would be in favour of anything that takes power out of Bergevin’s hands.

 

[dackelljuneaubulis02]

I was surprised that they even drafted Romanov tbh. Hopefully you are right about Timmins, I would be in favour of anything that takes power out of Bergevin’s hands.

yeah if the Russian thing was real they wouldn't have drafted him in the first place.

 

[Scriptor]

Stop bringing facts to a pro Bergevin love fest. The general never got the respect that he deserved, he was always a rock for us and I will never forget the disrespect shown to him by our danger artiste GM. People saying he refused an offer, they should just **** off!!! He was never respected and how could he be? Our lloyd Christmas leader thought that Karl Alzner was better! There is a portion of this board that makes me want to destroy a perfectly functioning key board for! God damn!

Markov never respected? Given contract extensions, no questions asked after his injuries with no certainty that he would be as effective. Get real. No respect? Seriously. You're talking about not liking how the relationship ended, but never any respect? I disagree.

 

[OldCraig71]

yeah if the Russian thing was real they wouldn't have drafted him in the first place.

We shall see how it all plays out.

 

[1909]

in the journal, Bergevin said: "Il est clairement en avance dans son développement. Il pourrait déjà jouer dans la LNH, il a le talent pour ça. Il est le plus jeune joueur de la KHL et il se débrouille très bien avec le CSKA de Moscou."


"He could already play in the NHL"

Two seasons at KHL level won't harm him.

 

[OldCraig71]

Markov never respected? Given contract extensions, no questions asked after his injuries with no certainty that he would be as effective. Get real. No respect? Seriously. You're talking about not liking how the relationship ended, but never any respect? I disagree.

Not getting his 1000th game and still being able to be a solid contributor to our D core is a lack of respect in my books, I don't know how you do not see that? Tomas Plekanec was much less effective as a player at the end and was still signed and brought back solely for the purpose of getting his 1000th game so yeah, lack of respect.

 

[HBDay]

Markov never respected? Given contract extensions, no questions asked after his injuries with no certainty that he would be as effective. Get real. No respect? Seriously. You're talking about not liking how the relationship ended, but never any respect? I disagree.

I had forgotten about that. After his surgery even I thought wow you sure you want to sign this guy? But the club didn't hesitate.

 

[Habs]

Why have an opinion of any sort on prospects then. Who cares what people say, try and develop your own ability to evaluate prospects. If you are wrong too often then you have to reconsider the way in which you watch the game. 99.99% of hockey fans don't actually understand the game at a high enough level to form a credible opinion. They like to quote stats and reiterate common misperceptions but rarely apply critical thinking to their analysis or to the process they use to evaluate talent. When you are wrong enough times the problem is your own ability to arrive to a correct conclusion. This requires you to reevaluate your own beliefs, unfortunately most just search for confirmation bias and wallow in their own ignorance.

I never said 'don't post your opinion' , I'm just hesitant to label anyone as a surefire NHL player when its been proven time and time again the odds are against it. The AHL is full of amazing prospects that couldn't take it to the next level. I'm reserving judgment on him, and Brook until they are pros.