Speculation: Alex Pietrangelo Megathread: contract talks with the Blues have stalled.

[sfvega]

Right. But those facts couldn't have been known ahead of time. If the Blues sign Pietro (likely, I think), then they'll still have Faulk, who is preferable to one or both of Bokk and Edmundson.

If they have to let Pietro walk despite his willingness to sign for a reasonable price OR if they keep Pietro at the cost of Parayko or Dunn and they get a bad return, then we're into Extremely Bad Moves territory. Possible for sure, but as it currently stands, the Faulk move is somewhere between Fine and Necessary Insurance.

No, the Faulk deal has been bad since the jump. Even without the flat cap, this deal made for very, very tight numbers for Petro's deal (which will also likely end up smaller due to uncertainty of cash flow rn.)

The only way the Faulk deal makes sense is if you knew Petro was going to bolt, and even then it's a very sizable contract for a guy who hadn't played a game with the team and who had questions defensively.

 

[simon IC]

No, the Faulk deal has been bad since the jump. Even without the flat cap, this deal made for very, very tight numbers for Petro's deal (which will also likely end up smaller due to uncertainty of cash flow rn.)

The only way the Faulk deal makes sense is if you knew Petro was going to bolt, and even then it's a very sizable contract for a guy who hadn't played a game with the team and who had questions defensively.

I have said this many times on many threads. The trade had great value without the extension. You see how Faulk fits in for a few months, and if he does, then you extend him. Some people have said that the deal was contingent upon the extension. I say, then that is when Armstrong should have walked away. Instead, he signed Faulk to a 7 yr contract with full NTC's without having him play a single game in a Blues uniform, and not having a clear idea of what his role would be. And this is where we are.

 

[sfvega]

I have said this many times on many threads. The trade had great value without the extension. You see how Faulk fits in for a few months, and if he does, then you extend him. Some people have said that the deal was contingent upon the extension. I say, then that is when Armstrong should have walked away. Instead, he signed Faulk to a 7 yr contract with full NTC's without having him play a single game in a Blues uniform, and not having a clear idea of what his role would be. And this is where we are.

Exactly. I was ecstatic when I heard about the trade. All that enthusiasm left when I heard about the extension.

 

[67Blues]

That Edmundson + Bokk for Faulk deal looks real, real bad.

they coulda kept edmundson for 3.5 and that extra 3 probably gives em enough to keep pietrnagelo as well

Dunn-Pietreangelo
Edmundson-Parayko
Scandella-Bortuzzo

We traded those two guys for our #1RHD after Petro signs with Toronto and we trade Parayko for magic beans to Edmonton.

Dunn-Faulk
Scandella-Bortuzzo
Mikkola - Walman/Pernovich

I'm already reserving my Cup parade location again.

 

[Blueston]

even assuming they send a couple forwards to the AHL (or lose on waivers) how are they keeping both Alex P and Dunn with 6.5 space?

dont say Tarasenko to LTIR because when he comes back they would be royally screwed. Dressing 15 guys sounds fun

They could deal someone else, such as Schwartz or Bozak. Steen could go on LTIR. Dunn could be dealt. Lots of better options than dealing Parayko (unless return is just massive).

 

[BrainyBomber]

Hahaha.

Thank you for that man!! Really appreciate it!

I needed that.

Tavares, Matthews, Marner raped TO but Petro will sign at under market to " come home"

Actually Tavares signed for below market value. He was offered 13m by SJ and I believe another team.

 

[Cousin Eddie]

Custance says NHL teams believe Sakic is open to trading Erik Johnson. If EJ is moved you can bank on Colorado being a major player for Pietrangelo.

 

[93gilmour93]

Youd have 7 players eating 60M of the cap.

Good luck with depth and getting a good goalie.

The leafs don't have to stop making moves there. Move dermott and Holl and replace them with Sandin and Lehtonen and more money is saved. The leafs also tend to play the LTIR game with players in trades which gives even more flexibility. It's more than doable

 

[Chojin]

He's a UFA during the offseason in which:

- The cap is flat and many teams are hard up against it
- COVID is reporting causing many teams to impose an internal cap in the $70-80m range

It sucks for Petro, but he became a UFA at the worst possible time, and he's just not going to get the kind of fair value he would have e.g. last year, even from one of the few teams that theoretically have a lot of cap space.

 

[Legion34]

Custance says NHL teams believe Sakic is open to trading Erik Johnson. If EJ is moved you can bank on Colorado being a major player for Pietrangelo.

doesn’t he have a NMC?

 

[CupInSIX]

doesn’t he have a NMC?

Partial NMC partial NTC

 

[Legion34]

Lebrun again talked on the radio about how after talking to Petro he was noticeably angry in his voice about how this has been handled and he is after taking to him. Believes that he would like to (does not mean his first choice) is to come to Toronto.

big prob for Toronto is that they can’t get good value for AJ apparentyl

 

[Cousin Eddie]

doesn’t he have a NMC?

He has a list of 11 teams he can’t be traded to.

 

[CupInSIX]

Lebrun again talked on the radio about how after talking to Petro he was noticeably angry in his voice about how this has been handled and he is after taking to him. Believes that he would like to (does not mean his first choice) is to come to Toronto.

big prob for Toronto is that they can’t get good value for AJ apparentyl

Kyle Dubas pulls a Tanya Harding on Erik Karlsson, then trades for his LTIR contract.
Problem solved.

 

[Volica]

Kyle Dubas pulls a Tanya Harding on Erik Karlsson, then trades for his LTIR contract.
Problem solved.

Tanya Harding looks like Big Boss Man compared to Dubas. He looks like he might get an asthma attack thinking about pulling a Harding on Karlsson, let along doing it

 

[TheDoldrums]

 

[93gilmour93]

 

[Space Coyote]

I don't know the Leafs can accommodate Pietrangelo without trading one of Marner or Nylander.

 

[67Blues]

I don't know the Leafs can accommodate Pietrangelo without trading one of Marner or Nylander.

The only team according to HF posters that can't dump any player they want to fit Petro into their cap is the Blues, so I'm sure it will be a simple thing to dump any contracts you don't want to fit him in. Easy peasy.

 

[Ranksu]

That Edmundson + Bokk for Faulk deal looks real, real bad.

they coulda kept edmundson for 3.5 and that extra 3 probably gives em enough to keep pietrnagelo as well

Dunn-Pietreangelo
Edmundson-Parayko
Scandella-Bortuzzo

True.

Faulk is hot garbage. 6.5mill.$ x 7- years for 3rd pair dmen.

Let NHL top5 RHD walk away, just like that.

This was one the worst trades what this franchise has seen. Stanley Cup to back bubble team/round 1 exit team.

Well we got Cup, but damn it's going to be hard follow team when we fall from top of mountain back to camp 1.

 

[Blueston]

Lotta folks gonna be eating crow when Faulk posts strong bounce-back season next year.

 

[tsujimoto74]

Lotta folks gonna be eating crow when Faulk posts strong bounce-back season next year.

That contract is still gonna be terrible, all the more so if it costs them the ability to re-sign Pietrangelo.

 

[Blueston]

That contract is still gonna be terrible, all the more so if it costs them the ability to re-sign Pietrangelo.

Faulk contract ain’t gonna cost them Petro. Blues can find room if they want to. They just haven’t found common ground with Petro.

 

[A1LeafNation]

Faulk contract ain’t gonna cost them Petro. Blues can find room if they want to. They just haven’t found common ground with Petro.

Hopefully this continues until Oct 9th.

 

[Headshot77]

Faulk for Jack Johnson straight up. Pens get the better player, Blues get the space to sign Petrangelo.