Rumor: Alex Pietrangelo discussion #2- Will it happen?

[BM14]

Who is Columbus going after? Clearing a ton of cap

Almost enough space to trade back for Josh Anderson.

 

[Menzinger]

Do you have a link for this report because capfriendly only shows two teams that may have trouble with the cap floor.

It was a 2nd hand transcript on twitter from a John Shannon radio bit, but seems like it may have been a misinterpretation of what was said

Edit:

 

[seanlinden]

Given the financial situation around the league, being able to offer the 8th year is a huge asset as it would soften the blow in the first couple years by stretching the contract out over a longer timeline. You're right in the sense that St Louis isn't any worse off then any other team going into tomorrow, but it just seems like they would've capitalized on it when they had the option if they really wanted to.

It really isn't.

Neither team nor player really want to get paid this season due to high escrow. The top tier guys will have mid-loaded contracts similar to Jonas Brodin.

The 8th year would help bring the cap hit down if you're negotiating an 8 versus a 7, but most of the team's competing for AP are pretty close to capped out anyways. They have an AAV they can do, and that's it.

The elimination of the 8th year helps the Blues, because if we take the Schenn/Faulk deals as examples, Armstrong will give out a 5 year full NTC. If AP can only receive 7 year offers, it becomes a difference of 2 unprotected years versus 3.

 

[kb]

Who is Columbus going after? Clearing a ton of cap

Apparently some teams asked if they could go under the salary floor.

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

Who is Columbus going after? Clearing a ton of cap

Probably Hall or Hoffman unless they have to sit near the floor.

 

[RebuildYear5]

Pass on Pietrangelo...keep building!!
Draft! Draft! Draft!

If we didnt sign Tavares, Marleau & traded Andersen this is a good example of what our roster could have been had management stuck to tanking....just shows how if you lack depth on certain positions you continue to draft top-15...but instead we watched our team flop every year in the playoffs.

Also with all that depth do you think Matthew's, Nylander & Marner sign those big contracts or does the young competition knock off a few million per year? I'd say yes it would have easily!

Management can still turn things around before it's too late but unfortunately I dont think they have what it takes to admit they facked up and trade John...so now were left with trading Nylander just to open another gap in a few years when John's contacts up...and whoever we get for Willy.
Basically the same old Leafs, we can sign players to fix our needs...same old crap.

Take you're pick....

2020- T.Stutzle - J.Sanderson - J.Drysdale - Y.Askarov
2019- M.Seider - S.Knight - K.Dach
2018- B.Tkachuk - Q.Hughes - J.Kotkaniemi
2017- M.Heiskanen - C.Makar - E.Pettersson


Amirov-Matthews-Nylander
Robertson-Kadri-Marner
Johnsson-Brooks-Hyman
Engvall-Hirvonen-Korshkov

Rielly-Heiskanen
Hughes-Seider
Sandin-Liljegren/Muzzin
Dermott-Hollowell

Askarov
Woll/Scott/Akhtyamov

 

[BM14]

^And worst post of the year goes to...

 

[Martin Skoula]

Pass on Pietrangelo...keep building!!
Draft! Draft! Draft!

If we didnt sign Tavares, Marleau & traded Andersen this is a good example of what our roster could have been had management stuck to tanking....just shows how if you lack depth on certain positions you continue to draft top-15...but instead we watched our team flop every year in the playoffs.

Also with all that depth do you think Matthew's, Nylander & Marner sign those big contracts or does the young competition knock off a few million per year? I'd say yes it would have easily!

Management can still turn things around before it's too late but unfortunately I dont think they have what it takes to admit they facked up and trade John...so now were left with trading Nylander just to open another gap in a few years when John's contacts up...and whoever we get for Willy.
Basically the same old Leafs, we can sign players to fix our needs...same old crap.

Take you're pick....

2020- T.Stutzle - J.Sanderson - J.Drysdale - Y.Askarov
2019- M.Seider - S.Knight - K.Dach
2018- B.Tkachuk - Q.Hughes - J.Kotkaniemi
2017- M.Heiskanen - C.Makar - E.Pettersson


Amirov-Matthews-Nylander
Robertson-Kadri-Marner
Johnsson-Brooks-Hyman
Engvall-Hirvonen-Korshkov

Rielly-Heiskanen
Hughes-Seider
Sandin-Liljegren
Dermott-Hollowell

Askarov
Woll/Scott/Akhtyamov

What actually happens in real life is that you're Buffalo and you end up with A. Nylander, Mittlestadt, Cozens, and Quinn at 7th/8th overall. How is a team with Matthews/Marner/Nylander going to finish last? Are you just benching them until you get mathematically eliminated?

 

[Gallagbi]

Probably Hall or Hoffman unless they have to sit near the floor.

Hall would be interesting for them. Adds an element they don't have.

 

[RebuildYear5]

^And worst post of the year goes to...

Why cant you accept that everything has gone downhill...again that's proof, management took a risk and realistically that's what it cost us.

Also we didnt win won playoff series and guaranteed we wont especially once Andersen's gone & Tavares now were left with a mediocre broken down roster...any true leaf fan has witnessed this for decades, and this time it's no different, same old patch work...trying to beat around the clock

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

Pass on Pietrangelo...keep building!!
Draft! Draft! Draft!

If we didnt sign Tavares, Marleau & traded Andersen this is a good example of what our roster could have been had management stuck to tanking....just shows how if you lack depth on certain positions you continue to draft top-15...but instead we watched our team flop every year in the playoffs.

Also with all that depth do you think Matthew's, Nylander & Marner sign those big contracts or does the young competition knock off a few million per year? I'd say yes it would have easily!

Management can still turn things around before it's too late but unfortunately I dont think they have what it takes to admit they facked up and trade John...so now were left with trading Nylander just to open another gap in a few years when John's contacts up...and whoever we get for Willy.
Basically the same old Leafs, we can sign players to fix our needs...same old crap.

Take you're pick....

2020- T.Stutzle - J.Sanderson - J.Drysdale - Y.Askarov
2019- M.Seider - S.Knight - K.Dach
2018- B.Tkachuk - Q.Hughes - J.Kotkaniemi
2017- M.Heiskanen - C.Makar - E.Pettersson


Amirov-Matthews-Nylander
Robertson-Kadri-Marner
Johnsson-Brooks-Hyman
Engvall-Hirvonen-Korshkov

Rielly-Heiskanen
Hughes-Seider
Sandin-Liljegren/Muzzin
Dermott-Hollowell

Askarov
Woll/Scott/Akhtyamov

Hate to break it to you but this team is well passed the point of tanking and drafting high. I agree that the Andersen and Marleau deals were misguided and accelerated our rebuild but there’s no use crying over what can’t be changed.

The Leafs are in win now mode and have a window where most of our core players are signed for the next 4 seasons. This team owes it to itself to do what it can to supplement and augment this team as best it can right now. If this team doesn’t then we’ll have really wasted the talent of our young guns, and what few prime years left Tavares and Muzzin have.

There’s no going back. The Leafs right now need to be doing all they can to win right now in this roughly half-decade window they have. Alex Pietrangelo would be a key acquisition and big part of reaching that goal.

Also Askarov? Why wouldn’t you put Carter Hart as our starter since in this fantasy we don’t trade the puck that could’ve gotten him for Andersen?

 

[RebuildYear5]

What actually happens in real life is that you're Buffalo and you end up with A. Nylander, Mittlestadt, Cozens, and Quinn at 7th/8th overall. How is a team with Matthews/Marner/Nylander going to finish last? Are you just benching them until you get mathematically eliminated?

Hmm I wonder trade Freddy and we have no defense and a backup tendy, not to mention our team almost missed the playoffs the last two years maxed out on the cap floor...trying to win, lol

Call up prospects instead of singing vets, worst case scenario you move up a few picks and the young guys learn something

 

[RebuildYear5]

Hate to break it to you but this team is well passed the point of tanking and drafting high. I agree that the Andersen and Marleau deals were misguided and accelerated our rebuild but there’s no use crying over what can’t be changed.

The Leafs are in win now mode and have a window where most of our core players are signed for the next 4 seasons. This team owes it to itself to do what it can to supplement and augment this team as best it can right now. If this team doesn’t then we’ll have really wasted the talent of our young guns, and what few prime years left Tavares and Muzzin have.

There’s no going back. The Leafs right now need to be doing all they can to win right now in this roughly half-decade window they have. Alex Pietrangelo would be a key acquisition and big part of reaching that goal.

Way past out rebuild you do realize technically this is year-5 of our so called rebuild?? And in those 5-years we missed the playoffs one time...did we ever really tank other then the matthews draft?

 

[Martin Skoula]

Hmm I wonder trade Freddy and we have no defense and a backup tendy, not to mention our team almost missed the playoffs the last two years maxed out on the cap floor...trying to win, lol

Call up prospects instead of singing vets, worst case scenario you move up a few picks and the young guys learn something

Again, no, the worst case scenario is you're Buffalo, and you can't shake the stink of losing until it ruins every prospect you put through your system and gets your star center mad enough to leave.

 

[RebuildYear5]

Hate to break it to you but this team is well passed the point of tanking and drafting high. I agree that the Andersen and Marleau deals were misguided and accelerated our rebuild but there’s no use crying over what can’t be changed.

The Leafs are in win now mode and have a window where most of our core players are signed for the next 4 seasons. This team owes it to itself to do what it can to supplement and augment this team as best it can right now. If this team doesn’t then we’ll have really wasted the talent of our young guns, and what few prime years left Tavares and Muzzin have.

There’s no going back. The Leafs right now need to be doing all they can to win right now in this roughly half-decade window they have. Alex Pietrangelo would be a key acquisition and big part of reaching that goal.

Also Askarov? Why wouldn’t you put Carter Hart as our starter since in this fantasy we don’t trade the puck that could’ve gotten him for Andersen?

Also why is there no going back, lasttime I checked our 3- all stars are all under 25, and half the prospects have yet to play a game? Riellys still young aswell especially for a defenseman still has alot left to offer.

 

[RebuildYear5]

Again, no, the worst case scenario is you're Buffalo, and you can't shake the stink of losing until it ruins every prospect you put through your system and gets your star center mad enough to leave.

Huh, that's definitely not the case in Buffalo....not to mention it would of been 2-3 years of tanking and building maybe 5-10 more losses per year...our team would of improved every year aswell, what's more deflating having you're team risk it for the biscuit and hit the cap floor just to potentially blow up all the young depth for patch work....hmm I'd definitely want to stick around in that situation.

And we've lost every playoff series and will continue to lose because we failed to fix our needs....Pietrangelo wont fix anything, but rather give us cap problems in the future when things do matter and you're elite players are in there prime.

John's a prime example we haven't won anything in 2years and our record declined.

 

[TMLeafer]

Work that signing bonus Dubas

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

Also why is there no going back, lasttime I checked our 3- all stars are all under 25, and half the prospects have yet to play a game? Riellys still young aswell especially for a defenseman still has alot left to offer.

You’re going to trade Tavares, Muzzin, and Andersen and immediately put this team into the tank? Andersen you could maybe get decent value but you’d probably have to retain on the former two to move them, especially in these world conditions.

And then what, we piss around tanking and drafting high for two-three seasons so we get players that MIGHT be as good as Tavares, Muzzin, Andersen, and Pietrangelo since we’re intentionally avoiding him in your world? In that time Rielly could walk, the prospects could bust, and any one of the big three could demand a trade because who wants to play for a loser in this town where they’ll take a ton of blame because their GM decided to sabotage them?

Even if all goes perfectly in your scenario and this team is so garbage to draft in the top 5 (which they won’t be, because even without a true starter and Tavares and Muzzin, the Big Three plus Rielly, a developing Robertson, Sandin, Liljegren, Dermott, and Holl would still will their way to like the 8th worst team at best) we’d need those young guys to develop into studs and hope their youth doesn’t do them in in the playoffs. And if it does take years to get that experience, the Big Three would be UFA’s and need new contracts, and then you’re for sure losing one of them, maybe two because you have to pay them plus our newly drafted players big contracts coming off ELCs. Perhaps you trade them for picks, prospects, or depth beforehand but then you’re no better off than where we are currently, expensive high end vets with expensive high end youth, only it’s a generation later.

 

[RebuildYear5]

2020- 11th Y.Askarov - Amirov
2019- 6th M.Seider
2018- 7th Q.Hughes - Sandin
2017- 3rd M.Heiskanen

That's what we would have had to place for my roster, and we could have easily moved up or down with how the draft works now or traded up a few picks....that's realistic, only once we would have needed a top-3 pick and that would have been our second year tanking, Matthew's first year.
Trade Andersen in 2018 for a late 1st round too get Sandin, Kapanen for Pittsburghs 1st 2020(Amirov).
Plus you have Muzzin to trade up a few spots or grab another first and whatever prospects we've moved over the past few years.

 

[Stephen]

2020- 11th Y.Askarov - Amirov
2019- 6th M.Seider
2018- 7th Q.Hughes
2017- 3rd M.Heiskanen

That's what we would have had to place for my roster, and we could have easily moved up or down with how the draft works now or traded up a few picks....that's realistic, only once we would have needed a top-3 pick and that would have been our second year tanking, Matthew's first year.

If the Leafs were in a position to draft someone like Moritz Seider as late as 2019 under your management in the alternate reality, it would mean that the Matthews, Marner and Nylander group would have been significantly weaker than they turned out.

If we had been in a position to make a lottery pick by Year 6 of the Shanaplan in 2019, it would also likely mean that the build was an absolute failure and you probably wouldn't have the job to make the Askarov pick in 2020.

 

[Eternal Leaf]

1 hour left and then St Louis can't offer that 8th year.

Seems like he's gone.

Not sure why he would come back on a 7-year deal for less money.

 

[RebuildYear5]

If the Leafs were in a position to draft someone like Moritz Seider as late as 2019 under your management in the alternate reality, it would mean that the Matthews, Marner and Nylander group would have been significantly weaker than they turned out.

If we had been in a position to make a lottery pick by Year 6 of the Shanaplan in 2019, it would also likely mean that the build was an absolute failure and you probably wouldn't have the job to make the Askarov pick in 2020.

Remind me where our pick was this year again?? Not too far off from 11th

 

[RebuildYear5]

If the Leafs were in a position to draft someone like Moritz Seider as late as 2019 under your management in the alternate reality, it would mean that the Matthews, Marner and Nylander group would have been significantly weaker than they turned out.

If we had been in a position to make a lottery pick by Year 6 of the Shanaplan in 2019, it would also likely mean that the build was an absolute failure and you probably wouldn't have the job to make the Askarov pick in 2020.

Almost missed the playoffs in 2019, LOL

 

[RebuildYear5]

If the Leafs were in a position to draft someone like Moritz Seider as late as 2019 under your management in the alternate reality, it would mean that the Matthews, Marner and Nylander group would have been significantly weaker than they turned out.

If we had been in a position to make a lottery pick by Year 6 of the Shanaplan in 2019, it would also likely mean that the build was an absolute failure and you probably wouldn't have the job to make the Askarov pick in 2020.

And this current year coming up is technically our 5th year of the Shanaplan get it right!

 

[Stephen]

Almost missed the playoffs in 2019, LOL

Leafs pick was 22nd in 2019. They would have had to put up a terrible season to end up in 6th.