I mean if we’re talking about talent as being the measuring stick of how good a coach is then Q would be way overrated with the teams he’s had
Alain Vigneault Named Head Coach, 4/15/19
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I mean if we’re talking about talent as being the measuring stick of how good a coach is then Q would be way overrated with the teams he’s had
Rich Nixon
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A billion times all this, particularly the bold. It’s a step forward, we don’t know how big of one it is yet. Any of the alternatives would be lateral steps or complete unknowns. This was the best choice available, given the entirety of the situation.
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This kind of move is translatable into, "We were never in the running for Panarin, and Duchene didn't want to come here either. But we offered Kevin Hayes $8 million over 5 years, and he's gonna be our new 2C! Aren't you happy, he was in the playoffs last year! He's super familiar with the Metro division, so he's up for the task at hand to turn the Flyers around, single handily. And a great friend and teammate of Kevin's Tyler Myers is our new veteran D! He's played a lot of games, and we failed at getting Karlsson, and are not interested in a good hockey trade, so we threw money at it, like it's 1999 (or at least pre-salary cap)."
Whomp whomp
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Rich Nixon
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So, what would be your preferred alternative, and how would that (likely unproven) selection be congruous with the notion that the team is also gunning for instant, dramatic improvement?
Basically, how does hiring the best/most proven available NHL coach indicate to you that the team will not be interested in pursuing the most proven available NHL talent this offseason?
I’m not saying it does either way. I’m just trying to see how this squares, because I’ve seen similar sentiments here and on Twitter, and the only thing those seemingly contradictory thoughts have in common is just pessimism.
deadhead
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I'd have liked to see them look at Keefe, but if he really got paid that much, it had to be with the understanding that he's the heir apparent.
And the rest?
Before he won last year in Washington, Trotz was the boring (conservative defensive HC who likes "heavy" players like Komarov) alter ego to AV, the HC who gets to the dance but never gets to take the girl home.
Who knows if it'll work out, AV has never had a really deep team, he had forwards in NY but lacked defensemen, had better defensemen in Vancouver but lacked forward depth, maybe he can find the right balance here.
In the end, it comes down to Fletcher, if he makes the bad TDL trades Sather did, giving up 1st and 2nd rd picks for players who had a limited impact, they'll end up crashing and burning, if he learns from Minnesota and won't give AV easy fixes, if he calls short, the next HC should have the players in place to make a run.
And the rest?
Before he won last year in Washington, Trotz was the boring (conservative defensive HC who likes "heavy" players like Komarov) alter ego to AV, the HC who gets to the dance but never gets to take the girl home.
Who knows if it'll work out, AV has never had a really deep team, he had forwards in NY but lacked defensemen, had better defensemen in Vancouver but lacked forward depth, maybe he can find the right balance here.
In the end, it comes down to Fletcher, if he makes the bad TDL trades Sather did, giving up 1st and 2nd rd picks for players who had a limited impact, they'll end up crashing and burning, if he learns from Minnesota and won't give AV easy fixes, if he calls short, the next HC should have the players in place to make a run.
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Not Keefe.
However, not Hakstol, Gordon, or some other asshole that literally cannot coach in the NHL.
We can only wait and see if he embraces the youth. At least we know his coaching style is one that will at the very least close the gaps between our D and F during breakouts down to a reasonable one. That alone will do wonders for these guys. That line of thinking has me warmed up to AV at least a touch since this afternoon. I will become a bigger fan of his if he cleans these assistants out.
I'm not thrilled but I'm also not outraged. Yet.
However, not Hakstol, Gordon, or some other asshole that literally cannot coach in the NHL.
We can only wait and see if he embraces the youth. At least we know his coaching style is one that will at the very least close the gaps between our D and F during breakouts down to a reasonable one. That alone will do wonders for these guys. That line of thinking has me warmed up to AV at least a touch since this afternoon. I will become a bigger fan of his if he cleans these assistants out.
I'm not thrilled but I'm also not outraged. Yet.
I think the hiring will definitely put an end to the...... it's the players/ its the coach debate. He's a good enough coach to get results so we'll see if the players are good enough.
Also everyone bitching about the hiring, well people complain about Hitch, Trotz, Lavy, Tortorella, Babcock hell hawks fans complained about Q but all these guys won cups, there's no perfect coach out there but it has to be better than Beavis and Butthead.
Also everyone bitching about the hiring, well people complain about Hitch, Trotz, Lavy, Tortorella, Babcock hell hawks fans complained about Q but all these guys won cups, there's no perfect coach out there but it has to be better than Beavis and Butthead.
Foggy14
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No.
But if the same assistants are there in a month, be very worried.
I was Quenneville guy, who became a Keefe guy, who was kinda meh about the AV signing.
But after reading about the Rags fans laughing their arses off (how does one do that, exactly?) and just hearing that Alain has been up all night plotting how he's going to turn our 3-1 series advantage in 2018-19 into a sweep next season, I'm now an optimistic Vigneault fan.
Compared to Torts I wouldn't be surprised if there was a dropoff. No one was ever worse at game management than Hakstol so it's a low bar to clear.
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Just wanted an excuse to bust out this old pic. And don't forget, he can have a laugh once in a while.
Anyway, my thoughts on various things I've seen in this thread (because I know you're all dying to hear them):
- You guys definitely got the best coach on the market.
- Damn, that's a lot of years on the contract.
- I don't watch a lot of Rangers games and don't follow that team very closely, so I have no idea what weird chimera AV became in his last days in NYC, but he remains the best coach the Canucks ever had. Things ended up slipping away from him in the end here, but that happens to every coach eventually. And there was more going on here that just the coach losing his touch. He went from a trapping anti-hockey guru who snarled at everyone who didn't speak French to a very forward-thinking always-attack master of linematching and deployment. Sure, he had his inexplicable favourites in Glass and Rome, but compared to the clumps we've had behind bench since he left I'd take him back in Vancouver in a heartbeat. And Green's even been okay with the crap roster he's got, but AV still towers over him.
- "Play the game between the whistles"? Yeah, don't know who said that's his thing. Uh...nope.
- Can be a bit of a prickly pear with the media but f*** them.
- Hodgson's big issues were chronic injuries and psycho hockey parents, not AV. Okay, they weren't on great terms, but Hodgson's issues were more with management. And someone on the Canucks' medical staff misdiagnosed his back ailments which is what led to a lot of problems when the team was questioning his work ethic and commitment in the press. And this problem of doctors misdiagnosing things has got a LOT worse under Benning. Just pop by the Canucks' board for a quick rundown. As I followed along with Hodgson's development, every time his agent was mentioned, it was somebody new. For a while it was JP Barry. Then someone else. Then another guy. And that always struck me as weird. Then he was traded and Gillis said publicly that he spent more time dealing with Hodgson than any other player. So AV wasn't the main problem. Also, Hodgson retired from the NHL after being diagnosed with malignant hyperthermia brought on by a genetic condition nobody knew he had. Not because he didn't want to be an AHLer.
- Grabner was competing with a spot for Raymond and Raymond won. He didn't even make the team he was traded to initially and only became a decent player after being claimed on waivers by NYI, AV didn't ruin him. He just didn't do dick with the opportunity he had here.
- AV is better than any coach currently on the market. IIRC I mentioned that. I wish him and the Flyers well. I have no hard feelings about him at all.
Tanev was just transitioning from the AHL in AV's last year. He was nowhere near ready for prime time which is why AV played low-event but at least proven NHL vets like Rome and Alberts over him. Barker was only in the lineup because of injuries and remains the single worst "defenseman" I've ever seen play at the NHL level. But Tanev was still only on his way up by then. Get your facts straight.
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Businesses don’t have access to years of game film. When I interview someone I only have a resume and maybe a couple of references so the interview process is more important.
Interviewing a coach is totally different. You likely are gauging their level of interest and their comfort level with how much or little input they will have in things like hiring assistants, draft picks, call ups, etc. People are not being realistic if they don’t think the team has an idea of who they want when the process starts.
Rangers had no farm system to call up when AV was there. Didn’t they go through a long win now period with Torts and AV.
Maybe he would have leaned on the vets anyway because aside from Skjei who did they have in the minors?
BritainStix
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This fanbase needs to get over itself already. Pick up a quality NHL coach and all I hear is bitching and moaning.
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It's a miracle coaches don't succeed with this team, given the welcome we give them.
When was the last time a Flyers coach signing didn't (ultimately) end into a disaster? History is on my side.
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Chuck should re-sign Konecny and Sanheim now. I want to see them under AV on WC with Couturier and Hart.
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