Speculation: Acq/ Rost. Bldg./ Cap Part XXXV: Trotzyism in Action

[CapsJunkie]

Kindl sucks...Datsyuk or we let Green return to his all star caliber

 

[SimplySensational]

Seeing the thread about Stamkos' next contract. I could just ****ing imagine this damn team not offering him a contract...

 

[AlexBrovechkin8]

Seeing the thread about Stamkos' next contract. I could just ****ing imagine this damn team not offering him a contract...

Not sure I follow. Are you saying this team should but won't offer UFA Stamkos (he won't get to FA, btw) an 11-12 mil AAV contract?

 

[BrooklynCapsFan]

More grist for the mill re: Green rumors are Detroit beat writers' wishful thinking:

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-p...ssure--brooks-orpik--red-wings-125314185.html

The Red Wings are desperate.

They, like many other teams in the league, need a defenseman. But they, like, NEED need one. Need need need one, need one. Things are so bad that their regular beat people have taken time off from bemoaning that no one wants to play for the Red Wings to openly advocate that Ken Holland trade for this defenseman or that one.

When it turned out Brendan Smith and Danny DeKeyser were only pretty good, and they realized that they had 62 left-shooting defensemen all under contract and that Nik Kronwall is eligible for Medicare, things got nervy. Gotta trade for Mike Green, they say. Gotta try to snag Tyler Myers, they say.

Don't let them fool you, though. This has been going on for a while. It wasn't so long ago that they were talking about the possibility of getting Shea Weber, Derek Morris, Dustin Byfuglien, Cody Franson, and so on. Basically, if you can name a right-shooting defenseman, the Detroit media is drawing little pictures of him in their notebooks then putting hearts around him.

Wait and see I guess but the forward mix on this team sucks and if I'm remembering correctly McLellan said that he wants to address center depth via trade.

 

[AlexBrovechkin8]

Well, one team is dealing from a position of strength (us) and one team is openly desperate about adding something (Detroit). Logic says we should come out sitting pretty if we deal Green.

I have said since Trotz came onboard that I don't want to trade 52 because I want to see what he can do with him in a more protected role with a defined system. But, if the offer is 2015 1st + Tatar + Kindl/Smith, I'd be open to the trade. Detroit also has 9.8 mil in cap space; I wonder if they'd be willing to retain a large portion of Weiss' contract. He was turrible last year but he could help our C depth; I just don't want any part of him without significant salary retained.

 

[BiPolar Caps]

Seeing the thread about Stamkos' next contract. I could just ****ing imagine this damn team not offering him a contract...

Keep in mind that the Florida based teams have an advantage over most of the other NHL teams, friendlier state taxes. This is why though Callahan ended up signing for not as much money with TB as had been offered by the Rangers, the tax implications for Callahan's income in TB were much better than in NY.

 

[NobodyBeatsTheWiz]

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Wait and see I guess but the forward mix on this team sucks and if I'm remembering correctly McLellan said that he wants to address center depth via trade.

It does seem a good fit.

Detroit's center depth:

Datsyuk
Weiss
Helm
Glendening/Andersson/Sheahan

Zetterberg can also play center, and it's arguably Nyqvist's best position as well. The Caps would have to take on additional salary if they acquire anyone other than Datsyuk/Zetterberg/Weiss

 

[NobodyBeatsTheWiz]

Well, one team is dealing from a position of strength (us) and one team is openly desperate about adding something (Detroit). Logic says we should come out sitting pretty if we deal Green.

I have said since Trotz came onboard that I don't want to trade 52 because I want to see what he can do with him in a more protected role with a defined system. But, if the offer is 2015 1st + Tatar + Kindl/Smith, I'd be open to the trade. Detroit also has 9.8 mil in cap space; I wonder if they'd be willing to retain a large portion of Weiss' contract. He was turrible last year but he could help our C depth; I just don't want any part of him without significant salary retained.

That's with a 20-man roster and they still have to sign Tatar and DeKeyser. I'm betting they have closer to 4 when that's done.

 

[Blades of Steel]

If you told me we obtained Datsyuk I wouldn't believe it until I saw him in the jersey. It would be amazing for him to center Ovechkin. Instant Russian chemistry.

 

[AlexBrovechkin8]

If you told me we obtained Datsyuk I wouldn't believe it until I saw him in the jersey. It would be amazing for him to center Ovechkin. Instant Russian chemistry.

Datsyuk and Backstrom would be a lot of fun on NHL 15.

 

[ChibiPooky]

Datsyuk is a pipe dream if I've ever seen one.

 

[txpd]

if I'm remembering correctly McLellan said that he wants to address center depth via trade.

At the July 1 presser MacLellan said both that he wasn't going to trade green and that he decided to go for two ufa defensemen rather than one d and a forward(c). that he could address the center need thru a trade,

At the time that struck me as meaning they could use a RW, Brouwer most likely, to trade for the center.

 

[Blades of Steel]

Datsyuk is a pipe dream if I've ever seen one.

It's nice to daydream, ain't it?

 

[hb12xchamps]

I don't think they would part with Nyqvist unless it's part of a bigger deal with more parts involved.

 

[ChibiPooky]

It's nice to daydream, ain't it?

Well, you're talking to a guy who made a trade proposal (a while ago) involving both Datsyuk and Green, so yeah, I'd say it is

 

[NobodyBeatsTheWiz]

I don't think they would part with Nyqvist unless it's part of a bigger deal with more parts involved.

I'm sure they wouldn't. He, DeKeyser, and Mantha are likely the three most untouchable.

 

[Langway]

The apparent aggressive interest in Kesler that makes me think MacLellan is trying to get in on whatever is out there at center (or maybe even just impactful trades overall). But who is left at center? Maybe O'Reilly but who knows if that's something Colorado would do after losing Stastny. He's really the one guy you might put a package together for at the moment.

Short of that I like targeting a value addition like Helm or maybe Drew Shore one way or another.

 

[ChibiPooky]

Maybe Frans Nielsen?

 

[BrooklynCapsFan]

Maybe Frans Nielsen?

Which one is the speed demon...Nielsen or Grabner?

 

[NobodyBeatsTheWiz]

Which one is the speed demon...Nielsen or Grabner?

Grabner.

Nielsen's the two-way center.

He or Strome would be an excellent target in light of the Grabo signing.

 

[ChibiPooky]

Also, since Detroit is so overburdened with left-handed defensemen, I'd ask about Kronwall. Help them clear out their logjam

 

[strungout]

So Green++ for Kronwall?

 

[BrooklynCapsFan]

So Green++ for Kronwall?

And that frees us up to trade Orpik for a 2C

 

[strungout]

And that frees us up to trade Orpik for a 2C

The left side would be set for years!!

Alzner - Niskanen
Orpik - Carlson
Kronwall - Orlov

 

[sk84fun_dc]

I missed something on Caps having had serious interest and in talks about acquiring Kesler before he went to Anaheim, is there a link to an article/blog?

(reworded)