AAA 2013 Line-up Assassination Thread

Hobnobs

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Woolley didnt play much at ES and was used less than Zhitnik, Smehlik, Shannon and McKee (Patrick and Warrener in 99). Add in Mike Wilson getting PK time too and woolley seems even more sheletered but hes a pp specialist.

So in a nut shell. Zhitnik was Sabres number 1.
 

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Wooley is like the only defenseman to play anything close to his number of games to basically never kill penalties.

Even Housley occasionally killed penalties by accident (though far less often than just about anyone else... but Wooley!)

Lubo Visnovsky and Dan Boyle are in Housley's range as well.

When I consider that Joe Corvo has found a spot on multiple NHL penalty kill units...just how bad was Woolley's defensive play, anyway? Or was he just lucky enough to play for coaches who knew how to use him?
 

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Lubo Visnovsky and Dan Boyle are in Housley's range as well.

When I consider that Joe Corvo has found a spot on multiple NHL penalty kill units...just how bad was Woolley's defensive play, anyway? Or was he just lucky enough to play for coaches who knew how to use him?

A little surprised to see that about Boyle. While he's no defensive whiz himself, I always though of him as more responsible than those other guys.
 

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A little surprised to see that about Boyle. While he's no defensive whiz himself, I always though of him as more responsible than those other guys.
Not in San Jose! The guy is a risk taker, caught out of position often.

He is well liked, as he can score, but he's paired with a more responsible dman and usually Marleau or Pavelski is on the ice to hurry back to cover for him at times.
 

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Not in San Jose! The guy is a risk taker, caught out of position often.

He is well liked, as he can score, but he's paired with a more responsible dman and usually Marleau or Pavelski is on the ice to hurry back to cover for him at times.

Oh, I'm aware of his style. I meant more along the lines of "responsible for an offensive defenseman," in other words, more responsible than the Housley/Visnovsky types.
 

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Oh and I saw a lot of Buffalo in Woolley's days, and yes, he was pretty terrible defensively. But Buffalo, while lacking star power, also had a very deep group of defensemen, so they could afford to shelter him more than some teams could.

He was quite effective when used properly - he and Zhitnik were co-leaders of the 1999 Sabres in playoff scoring.

Still crazy that a guy who wasn't undersized could be that bad in his own zone and never really learn how to play better.
 

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Are you sure you're not looking at shots on goal? Woolley's PIMs were not in any way high.
And if you look at his ES ice time, he was definitely third pairing, always. This is a guy who played 17.5 minutes in total, which is extremely low when you consider he was playing 5 of them on the PP.

Yep, you and Hobnobs were right.....my mistake. Still, he averaged more minutes against only Toronto inside the division and scored more points against Montreal....he seemed to play fairly well against my B's.
 

seventieslord

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How does this work? Do We just pick a team @ random and comment about it?

that's right. it doesn't even have to be random, if there's one you really like or see a lot of question marks, or just find interesting, then go ahead. Do it for whatever reason.
 

seventieslord

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Coach: Sid Abel

Carl Liscombe - Dutch Reibel - Jeff O'Neill
Geoff Sanderson - Andrew Cassels (A) - Erik Cole
Mark Osborne - Christian Ruuttu - Blair MacDonald
Marco Sturm - Curtis Brown (A) - Mike Grier

Garry Galley (C) - Arnie Brown
Al MacNeal - Sean Hill
Kyle McLaren - Marek Zidlicky

Dwayne Roloson
Richard Brodeur

extras:
LW/C Sibby Nichol
D Zarley Zalapski
RW Bill Hicke
F Randy Wood

PP1:
Carl Liscombe - Dutch Reibel - Jeff O'Neill
Garry Galley - Marek Zidlicky

PP2:
Geoff Sanderson - Andrew Cassels - Erik Cole
Arnie Brown - Sean Hill

PK1:
Curtis Brown - Christian Ruuttu
Kyle McLaren - Arnie Brown

PK2:
Mark Osborne - Andrew Cassels
Al MacNeil - Sean Hill

A solid roster that should be in the top half of this draft.

Based on points finishes, Reibel would be the top center in this draft. Based on percentages, he's bottom half for top line centers. This is based on the "standard" of using best 6 seasons, but of course if you were to only compare his best 3 seasons, he'd look really really good here. Of course the Howe factor has to be considered. But everyone's gonna look at that differently. Liscombe is a decent 1st liner who won't hurt you, and doesn't bring anything other than some points. They have an excellent complementary player on the right side in o'Neill. At his best, O'Neill hit everything that moved and finished most of the chances Francis gave him. Not a defensive player at all, but it's really hard to find a complementary scoring line player in the AAA who will give you physicality and defense (why do you think I took Murphy on day 1 and Harris on day 2?). The line lacks defense but still has pretty good pieces overall.

I think it's pretty cool you managed to put together a Canes/Whalers line and didn't compromise on quality to do it. Cassels has always been a player who screams "2nd line center" - in real life, and in the AAA. Offensively, I have him middle of the pack, but he's probably 3rd-4th best defensively among this class of 2nd line centers, so he got a boost from me. Well above average. Sanderson is of course well above average for a 2nd line winger, and has speed to burn. Cole is also an excellent "glue guy" for the 2nd line. This line is made up much like your 1st, with a physical guy on the right. Not much defense, Cassels notwithstanding, but almost as balanced as a AAA 2nd line can be.

Your third line is a competent two-way line. I think Osborne is the best piece. Ruuttu is kinda so-so. I'm not a Blair MacDonald fan. I like most 3rd line wingers in this draft better. I think Grier is just a classic do-it-all 4th liner. He's huge, very fast, very physical, very clean, and is a surprisingly strong ES scorer. Curtis Brown is a very good defensive forward for this draft and another guy who won't hurt your offense. Sturm on a 4th line, I'm not really feeling.

Galley's clearly your best defenseman. He won't lie, I went really deep into his resume fairly early in the MLD. I looked mighty closely at him, Ellett, and Aucoin to be sure I got it "right" and while I was very convinced I made the right choices when I took Ellett and then Aucoin, it was certainly close enough that I expected to see him get selected shortly after. He should never, ever fall to the AAA again. He's going to be this draft's best PP and overall offensive defenseman with his longevity and consistency considered. Brown I consider your #2, and he's just right for that role here. The rest of the corps is a bit "meh". While I don't think any of them are terrible, they're just passable in their roles.

In net, I have Roloson as the 2nd worst starter and Brodeur as the best backup. Are you sure you have them in the correct order on your team? I'm not. (I would agree Roloson had the better NHL career but Brodeur's last few years of WHA duty are definitely noteworthy... he's also more suited to being an undisputed starter too, finishing 2nd, 5th, 6th, 7th, 10th in minutes as opposed to just 7th and 10th for Roloson)

You managed to get 4 decent guys to play the point. Your top 2 are great, and your next 2 don't look completely inept. On the PK, MacNeil is seemingly a strong option (no numbers to confirm that, of course) and you have three others who all killed 37-41% penalties for their teams, and their teams weren't particularly successful at it. Should be about standard for the AAA. Cassels/Osborne is going to be a rather weak 2nd unit but I don't know what other options you have. Osborne didn't kill that many penalties, and Cassels did but his teams were bad at it. Just a second unit, though.

Abel probably belongs right about here in the grand scheme of things. A good AAA coach. He's been relatively undervalued until recently (I gave him a mini profile in the 2010 A draft to get his stock to rise)

I forgot to mention that I quite like your spares. You took a good combination of multi-positionality, multi-skill and BPAs. Zalapski was the BPA as far as offensive defensemen are concerned. Wood was an OK 3rd/4th line forward. Nichol could play C/LW and seemed to have some grit. Hicke? Not sure of the rationale there. Nothing against taking a single-position winger as a spare, but there were many more talented ones still out there. He'll barely see the ice though.

Overall I am sure you've got an above average team. However, I have the top 5 teams in your division all really close, and you could get unlucky and get 5th, or get lucky and earn 1st, predicting exactly where is too difficult.
 
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Head Coach: Ivan Hlinka

Neal - Nylander(A) - Routh
Sheppard - J.Carson - Carter(A)
Arvedson- Migay - Goldsworthy
Irvine -Findlay - Mallen

Samsonov-Semonov-Beaudro


Fogolin Sr (C)- D.Mironov
Malakhov - B.Mironov
Snepsts - Subban
Staios

Quick
Simmons


PP:
1 Neal - Nylander - Routh
Subban - B.Mironov

2 Sheppard - Carson - Carter
D.Mironov-Malakov

PK:
1 Migay-Goldsworthy
Fogolin-D.Mironov

2 Findlay-Arvedson
Snepsts-B.Mironov

You're a completely fresh-off-the-street newbie and you won't finish last. That's a victory! I finished last in my first ATD and MLD but in the 5 years since, I've won one of each, and you're off to a better start than I was.

I think Routh's the best member of your first line. I know it's really hard comparing him to modern players, but he did have a couple scoring titles in the best league in the world (yes, against who exactly and in fewer than 10 games, but still...) Nylander may be the weakest 1st line center. Although he doesn't lag behind the rest offensively by a large margin, he does lag behind them. Neal I also have as a weaker 1st liner. I think what went on in his first 4 seasons is much more indicative of his "true" ability than what happened in 2012. He caught lightning in a bottle and rode the coattails of the MVP. Even if you give him full credit for that season, which you're free to do, his "best 6 seasons" score is not at all good for a first line winger. Although Neal will stick up for himself, I don't really consider him a banger, a guy who will really "spark" a line like an O'Neill or Cole could. So it's a legitimate concern that maybe you don't have an ideal physical catalyst. You are far from alone in this draft in that regard, though...

Jimmy Carson is actually better than nylander. You probably know that too, considering you researched them both. There's nothing that says you have to put your top center on the first line (Billy Harris was my #2 pick and he's on my 3rd line now). As a result, Carson looks outstanding for a 2nd liner. I only like Bullard and my own Jackson better. I see him as a guy who will be somewhat inconsistent and streaky, but by the end of the season he'll be one of the highest scoring 2nd line centers in the league. Anson Carter on the other hand, is not a guy I'm a fan of at all. He's a good deal behind Audette even, who I would put 2nd weakest in the offensive 2nd line RWs. Johnny Sheppard was a very astute choice by you, however, to finish off this line, he was a gritty guy with some defensive ability and actually stands up to other 2nd liners fairly well in offense despite it not being his sole skill (like most of them). Although Carter's a drag, overall you put together a very competent 2nd line.

Rudy Migay, as I said before, would be a really mediocre AAA player if not for the all-star games that he must have played in on the basis of his defense. VI likes to push Migay, I'm guessing he had something to do with this one. He's one of the few best defensive centers on a third line, but as a two way player maybe only a bit above average, because there are guys like Schock and Dahlstrom and Plekanec who aren't far back but can also score. (Greg Malone deserves an honorable mention in that category too, while I'm on the topic). And Goldsworthy? superb. He's more of a Schock/Dahlstrom/Plekanec on the right side. He has great quotes supporting his pretty good defensive ability, while also having a couple of seasons top-20 in goals. He does stand out among 3rd line wingers here. Arvedson might have the best defensive season (from a Selke perspective, if that matters) in this whole draft. He kinda came and went fast, but he was pretty good in the NHL.

On the 4th line, I mentioned before Findlay was getting to the top of my list when you took him... that said, when you took him was at the very end of the draft, so the fact that you got a passable 4th liner at all is good. Mallen was a speedster, one of the 5 fastest players in this thing. Off the top of my head, other players whose speed is in his class are Kessel, Granato, Courtnall, and Reise. (anyone else can feel free to throw their players' names into this group if they can back it up!) Irvine I don't know what to make of. Kinda meh. Not really a standout skill, which I tend to look for on a 4th line (says captain obvious who has a standout offensive player, a standout penalty killer and a standout fighter, haha)

I have Malakhov as your best defenseman overall. Malakhov is a good, solid player whose place in the AAA is not just on the 3rd pairing and PK. He could handle more. But if he's your best defenseman he's a little lacking. Boris Mironov is cut from the same cloth and I feel the same way about him. If he's your 2nd best you're not in the greatest shape. However, Snepsts as a #3 and safety valve for Subban is an excellent idea. Rookie move taking Subban so early, but good call putting him down where he belongs and next to Snepsts. Subban may lack a couple of things, but toughness isn't one of them, so this is one TOUGH pairing. Call me crazy, but I think Dmitri and Fogolin are your 4th and 5th best defensemen and you have them on your top pairing. Boris was a better NHL player than his brother, and Fogolin was a guy who didn't last in the NHL very long. Being in the O6 at all back then was an achievement, but he played just 6.2 seasons worth of games, and for quite poor teams as well. See the chart here: http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showpost.php?p=74276361&postcount=195 - most O6-era defensemen in this draft I'd prefer over Fogolin. (I'd at least take him over Dewsbury) Your bottom 4 really redeem this defense though. It's a rookie defense, but it's passable. Well done.

I am not a fan of short career guys, but I must begrudgingly admit that in Quick, you have the #2 goalie in this draft. Kudos. Simmons is about average for a backup. Not a huge fan of Hlinka at this level, maybe it's because he failed so badly in the NHL. And there are some really good NHL coaches in this thing. For a newbie without the experience putting together a corps of spares, you did pretty well. Samsonov was close to the BPA on the wing. Beaudro, same thing in a defensive version. Staios and Semenov.... ugh.

You know what? I don't think you'll be 2nd last, either...
 

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You're a completely fresh-off-the-street newbie and you won't finish last. That's a victory! I finished last in my first ATD and MLD but in the 5 years since, I've won one of each, and you're off to a better start than I was.

I think Routh's the best member of your first line. I know it's really hard comparing him to modern players, but he did have a couple scoring titles in the best league in the world (yes, against who exactly and in fewer than 10 games, but still...) Nylander may be the weakest 1st line center. Although he doesn't lag behind the rest offensively by a large margin, he does lag behind them. Neal I also have as a weaker 1st liner. I think what went on in his first 4 seasons is much more indicative of his "true" ability than what happened in 2012. He caught lightning in a bottle and rode the coattails of the MVP. Even if you give him full credit for that season, which you're free to do, his "best 6 seasons" score is not at all good for a first line winger. Although Neal will stick up for himself, I don't really consider him a banger, a guy who will really "spark" a line like an O'Neill or Cole could. So it's a legitimate concern that maybe you don't have an ideal physical catalyst. You are far from alone in this draft in that regard, though...

Jimmy Carson is actually better than nylander. You probably know that too, considering you researched them both. There's nothing that says you have to put your top center on the first line (Billy Harris was my #2 pick and he's on my 3rd line now). As a result, Carson looks outstanding for a 2nd liner. I only like Bullard and my own Jackson better. I see him as a guy who will be somewhat inconsistent and streaky, but by the end of the season he'll be one of the highest scoring 2nd line centers in the league. Anson Carter on the other hand, is not a guy I'm a fan of at all. He's a good deal behind Audette even, who I would put 2nd weakest in the offensive 2nd line RWs. Johnny Sheppard was a very astute choice by you, however, to finish off this line, he was a gritty guy with some defensive ability and actually stands up to other 2nd liners fairly well in offense despite it not being his sole skill (like most of them). Although Carter's a drag, overall you put together a very competent 2nd line.

Rudy Migay, as I said before, would be a really mediocre AAA player if not for the all-star games that he must have played in on the basis of his defense. VI likes to push Migay, I'm guessing he had something to do with this one. He's one of the few best defensive centers on a third line, but as a two way player maybe only a bit above average, because there are guys like Schock and Dahlstrom and Plekanec who aren't far back but can also score. (Greg Malone deserves an honorable mention in that category too, while I'm on the topic). And Goldsworthy? superb. He's more of a Schock/Dahlstrom/Plekanec on the right side. He has great quotes supporting his pretty good defensive ability, while also having a couple of seasons top-20 in goals. He does stand out among 3rd line wingers here. Arvedson might have the best defensive season (from a Selke perspective, if that matters) in this whole draft. He kinda came and went fast, but he was pretty good in the NHL.

On the 4th line, I mentioned before Findlay was getting to the top of my list when you took him... that said, when you took him was at the very end of the draft, so the fact that you got a passable 4th liner at all is good. Mallen was a speedster, one of the 5 fastest players in this thing. Off the top of my head, other players whose speed is in his class are Kessel, Granato, Courtnall, and Reise. (anyone else can feel free to throw their players' names into this group if they can back it up!) Irvine I don't know what to make of. Kinda meh. Not really a standout skill, which I tend to look for on a 4th line (says captain obvious who has a standout offensive player, a standout penalty killer and a standout fighter, haha)

I have Malakhov as your best defenseman overall. Malakhov is a good, solid player whose place in the AAA is not just on the 3rd pairing and PK. He could handle more. But if he's your best defenseman he's a little lacking. Boris Mironov is cut from the same cloth and I feel the same way about him. If he's your 2nd best you're not in the greatest shape. However, Snepsts as a #3 and safety valve for Subban is an excellent idea. Rookie move taking Subban so early, but good call putting him down where he belongs and next to Snepsts. Subban may lack a couple of things, but toughness isn't one of them, so this is one TOUGH pairing. Call me crazy, but I think Dmitri and Fogolin are your 4th and 5th best defensemen and you have them on your top pairing. Boris was a better NHL player than his brother, and Fogolin was a guy who didn't last in the NHL very long. Being in the O6 at all back then was an achievement, but he played just 6.2 seasons worth of games, and for quite poor teams as well. See the chart here: http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showpost.php?p=74276361&postcount=195 - most O6-era defensemen in this draft I'd prefer over Fogolin. (I'd at least take him over Dewsbury) Your bottom 4 really redeem this defense though. It's a rookie defense, but it's passable. Well done.

I am not a fan of short career guys, but I must begrudgingly admit that in Quick, you have the #2 goalie in this draft. Kudos. Simmons is about average for a backup. Not a huge fan of Hlinka at this level, maybe it's because he failed so badly in the NHL. And there are some really good NHL coaches in this thing. For a newbie without the experience putting together a corps of spares, you did pretty well. Samsonov was close to the BPA on the wing. Beaudro, same thing in a defensive version. Staios and Semenov.... ugh.

You know what? I don't think you'll be 2nd last, either...

Thanks glad I did well for my first kick at the can :yo:

Just some comments on your comments.
-I really wanted an excellent defensive line that should be able to handle the tough matchups and I think I got that, outside of Plekanac who I really wanted I think my third line accomplished my goal admirably.
-My second line was kinda thrown together and in hindsight I would have went for Franzen, but with so many players technically available I got paralyzed by choice a bit.
-I grabbed Subban really early but even though it was a weak selection he does have a norris, is great on the PP. But I immediately knew he needed to be on the bottom pair with a strong defensive guy.
-My D is definitely not strong, but I chalk that up to rookieness. I got caught looking at the old draft lists a bit too much when thinking about selections.
-My fourth line is a little mixed up, I needed a second PK center, because Nylander and Carson wouldn't do me any favours. Irvine adds some grit and I get a speedy winger to help push the play.
-Semenov was a suggestion and I like him as a sub, Beaudro was hard to find a lot of info on but I like what he brings and is Thistles alumni which I think is kinda cool. Staios was probably a bad pick, but I think as a spare tough as nails D he suits that role well.
 
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Just a quick comment about the Mironovs and Greendale's top two pairs. I drafted both a few years ago and there seemed to be split opinions about who was better. After reading the scouting reports I own (which I didn't then) I definitely believe Boris was better. Dmitri was criticized for his defensive play every year, going as far to say as he looked disinterested in his own end at times. They also said Boris was basically a stay-at-home defenseman with some puckmoving skills and a shot. Considering the similarities in their offensive production, I'd take the steadier Boris over Dmitri every time.

I'd prefer to give Boris a larger role at even-strength than Dmitri, but I like how your pairs are configured. I don't think you really want Dmitri and Malakhov playing together. If people buy Malakhov as your best defender, I'd definitely think about flipping those pairs.
 

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Time for me to review a couple rosters, starting with this 1, my comments are in bold:

Warroad Lakers

Coach: Sid Abel

Sid Abel is 1 of the top coaches in this, I had him as a coach in a draft as well. He may have a below .500 win loss record but don't let that fool you as he's still a good coach.

Carl Liscombe - Dutch Reibel - Jeff O'Neill
Geoff Sanderson - Andrew Cassels (A) - Erik Cole
Mark Osborne - Christian Ruuttu - Blair MacDonald
Marco Sturm - Curtis Brown (A) - Mike Grier

1st line: Was a bit surprised to see the bio on Carl Liscombe, always thought him to be more of a defensive player than a goal scorer but his 4 top 20 goal finishes really dispel my earlier notion. Reibel looks like he'll serve as Liscombe's playmaker
. 3 top 10 finishes in points is always good at this level and he should put up the points on this line. O'neill is also a goal scorer and will probably be asked to serve as the brute of the line. Be interesting to see if he does this. The 1st line is a good 1 in terms of offense but defensively it is lacking a little though that shouldn't be a worry at this level.


2nd line: Sanderson's another player I've always liked. In terms of goal scoring, there might not be many better 2nd line left wingers in this. Cassels is the playmaker here and he should be 1 of the best 2nd line playmaking centres in this. I think there may be a bit of familiarity between Sanderson and Cassels which is good to see. Cole's a good all around guy, he's more of a power forward so he should be able to protect Sanderson and Cassels from getting hit and that will allow them to do their thing. Really solid 2nd line.

3rd line: Mark Osborne's an interesting case to me. I think he's a 3rd liner who does nothing overly special but he'll give it his all game in and game out. Ruutu is a guy we had in 1 of the drafts we did, I was always a fan of his, he's perfect on a 3rd line. I don't know what to make of Blair Macdonald. It's good that he's stuck away on the 3rd line but he's a questionable pick to me.

4th line: Sturm's a good player to have if you want offense, not sure what he adds defensively though so maybe a switch between him and Osborne is in order to utilize better the strengths of both guys. Curtis Brown is the perfect 4th line centre in this, he's also very versatile which can always help, he's very good defensively and can hold his own offensively, solid pick. Mike Grier finishes off your top 12 and looks to be your team's most physical player, that's always good to have as you match up vs. tough lineups and tough defenses.

Garry Galley (C) - Arnie Brown
Al MacNeal - Sean Hill
Kyle McLaren - Marek Zidlicky

1st Defensive Pairing- Galley was a guy I had in the MLD in 2011, very solid player and a great guy to build your defense around. Arnie Brown is another former pick of mine. He's a good 2nd defenseman at this level and will play this role quite well.

2nd Defensive Pairing: Al Macneil is someone I don't know much of as a player but he was a solid coach, so if your coach has to miss a game you can have Macneil step in and have no worries. Sean Hill's more of a defensively oriented guy, like Hedican on my team he doesn't add much offensively but defensively he's pretty good.

3rd Defensive Pairing: Mclaren's a really good choice for a 3rd pairing defenseman, very physical which is always good. Zidilcky though sticks out like a sore thumb here on a final defensive pairing (Much like Kurvers on my team though I guess), he'll add offense for sure but he may be a liability defensively, I'd suggest switching Hill and Zidilcky so that you can utilize the strengths of both guys.

Dwayne Roloson
Richard Brodeur

Goaltending: Roloson's a good goalie who can hot at times but I don't know if I'd want him as my #1 goalie over the length of a full AAA season. Brodeur's an excellent backup. I had him in the 2011 draft season. I expect he'll be asked to spell Roloson during the course of the AAA season.

extras:
LW/C Sibby Nichol
D Zarley Zalapski
RW Bill Hicke
F Randy Wood

PP1:
Carl Liscombe - Dutch Reibel - Jeff O'Neill
Garry Galley - Marek Zidlicky

PP2:
Geoff Sanderson - Andrew Cassels - Erik Cole
Arnie Brown - Sean Hill

PK1:
Curtis Brown - Christian Ruuttu
Kyle McLaren - Arnie Brown

PK2:
Mark Osborne - Andrew Cassels
Al MacNeil - Sean Hill

Extras and Special Teams comments:

No comments really. I really like Zalapski and Wood as spares in this. I don't know what Hill can add to a 2nd power play unit though. Maybe put Macneil in there.

Final Thoughts:

Overall a solid group you have built here. I've always found the AAA draft to be a crapshoot but you drafted quite well, good luck to you as the draft progresses and we get into the voting period next week.
 

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Sorry for the delay. Might look to add some more bio's soon but figured I'd get this up now. Actually really happy with this team! Only change I'm thinking is Wideman for Gill but would likely have to switch up the pairings given Stewart-Gill, while incredibly strong defensively...probably also too slow. I drafted Wideman (probably my most controversial pick) as an offensive guy who also has a history of playing 22+ minutes per game and I like him beside the really defensively strong Stewart, so I'm torn.

BELLEVILLE MACFARLANDS

Coach: Alain Vigneault
Assistant Coach: Peter DeBoer

Jim Riley - Bill Carson (A) - Earl Robinson
Michael Cammalleri - Mike Bullard - Murray Balfour
Armand Mondou - Archie Hooper (A) - Cecil Blachford
Scott Hartnell - Terry Crisp - Howie Meeker
Dave Schultz - Guyle Fielder

Doug Lidster - Frank Eddolls (C)
Dale Rolfe - Alex Edler
James Stewart - Dennis Wideman
Hal Gill

Mike Karakas
Tommy Salo


PP1: Mike Bullard-Jim Riley-Earl Robinson-Doug Lidster-Alex Edler
PP2: Bill Carson-Scott Hartnell-Michael Cammalleri-Archie Hooper-Dennis Wideman

PK1: Terry Crisp-Cecil Blachford-James Stewart-Frank Eddolls
PK2: Armand Mondou-Murray Balfour-Dale Rolfe-Doug Lidster

1916 or earlier: Jim Riley, Cecil Blachford, Archie Hooper, James Stewart
1917-1942: Bill Carson, Earl Robinson, Mike Karakas, Armand Mondou
1943-1965: Murray Balfour, Frank Eddolls, Howie Meeker, Guyle Fielder
1966-1979: Terry Crisp, Dale Rolfe, Dave Schultz
1980-1994: Mike Bullard, Doug Lidster
1995-2004: Mike Cammalleri, Tommy Salo, Hal Gill
in 2013: Alex Edler, Scott Hartnell, Dennis Wideman​
 
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DaveG

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Time for me to review a couple rosters, starting with this 1, my comments are in bold:



Extras and Special Teams comments:

No comments really. I really like Zalapski and Wood as spares in this. I don't know what Hill can add to a 2nd power play unit though. Maybe put Macneil in there.

Final Thoughts:

Overall a solid group you have built here. I've always found the AAA draft to be a crapshoot but you drafted quite well, good luck to you as the draft progresses and we get into the voting period next week.

In net, I have Roloson as the 2nd worst starter and Brodeur as the best backup. Are you sure you have them in the correct order on your team? I'm not. (I would agree Roloson had the better NHL career but Brodeur's last few years of WHA duty are definitely noteworthy... he's also more suited to being an undisputed starter too, finishing 2nd, 5th, 6th, 7th, 10th in minutes as opposed to just 7th and 10th for Roloson)

You managed to get 4 decent guys to play the point. Your top 2 are great, and your next 2 don't look completely inept. On the PK, MacNeil is seemingly a strong option (no numbers to confirm that, of course) and you have three others who all killed 37-41% penalties for their teams, and their teams weren't particularly successful at it. Should be about standard for the AAA. Cassels/Osborne is going to be a rather weak 2nd unit but I don't know what other options you have. Osborne didn't kill that many penalties, and Cassels did but his teams were bad at it. Just a second unit, though.

Abel probably belongs right about here in the grand scheme of things. A good AAA coach. He's been relatively undervalued until recently (I gave him a mini profile in the 2010 A draft to get his stock to rise)

I forgot to mention that I quite like your spares. You took a good combination of multi-positionality, multi-skill and BPAs. Zalapski was the BPA as far as offensive defensemen are concerned. Wood was an OK 3rd/4th line forward. Nichol could play C/LW and seemed to have some grit. Hicke? Not sure of the rationale there. Nothing against taking a single-position winger as a spare, but there were many more talented ones still out there. He'll barely see the ice though.

Overall I am sure you've got an above average team. However, I have the top 5 teams in your division all really close, and you could get unlucky and get 5th, or get lucky and earn 1st, predicting exactly where is too difficult.


Yeah two situations that I've definitely considered. Brodeur vs Roloson is one situation I saw as a possible question mark for who to indicate as the starter here. If we're talking a playoff series, while Brodeur is no slouch, I'd lean towards Roloson given what he's done over his career in that regard. But most likely I'd expect the regular season starts to be close to a 60/40 situation one way or the other, and given his track record in the WHA and with helping some VERY bad Vancouver teams stay even somewhat competitive Brodeur would get the nod for the regular season.

Bottom 6 I'll admit is kindof a mix-mash. I've toyed with the idea of rolling something more along these lines instead of what I have listed:

Sturm-Ruuttu-Grier or Hicke
Osborne-Brown-Wood

it would give me two RW spares but the roster regulars and spares (notably Brown, Wood, and Nichol) have enough versatility in them that I could shift things around and not really lose too much in the process. Really that was my thought pattern behind selecting Wood, he doesn't stick out as anything special overall but he does play a decent grinder role and an Osborne-Brown-Wood grind line would be fairly effective I would think.

Could even use Nichol in there, just want to find more info on him to try and help my case and for whatever reason Google news archives are a ***** to get working search wise right now for me. That stuff I was rolling with like crazy two-three years ago.:laugh:

On the Sturm front, he's not an elite defensive forward, but he did enough PKing in San Jose on units that were typically about league average that he wouldn't be out of place in a bottom 6 role.

As for special teams, not sure why I still have Osborne listed, especially when I have Grier and drafted him not just for his physicality but also to play on the 2nd PK unit. He was a PKer for most of his career, and while most of the units he was on were average his work on top units in post-lockout Buffalo and San Jose stand out as a big positive.

On Hill, he was actually a fairly productive PP player when utilized as such, which he was in Carolina and Long Island. Almost 46% of his career points and 42% of his career goals came on the man advantage which is fairly substantial considering he wasn't heavily used on the PP until he turned 29. He's no Galley offensively (which is why I snagged him ASAP when I saw he was still available in this draft) but he has a heavy shot that he can unleash effectively either to score or generate chances off the rebound.
 

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