Proposal: A trade around Kadri and Trouba

[HC7]

Trouba is going to walk in a year or two, why would any team trade for him?

 

[GoJetsGo55]

Trouba is going to walk in a year or two, why would any team trade for him?

Did someone hit the table because the record skipped?

 

[rent free]

Psssssssssst

Look at number 16

Even Strength Scoring Leaders: 2016-17 NHL Season

Then scroll allllll the way down to number 91.

Is Hyman better than Nylander?

laine was 15th in even strength scoring, not 16th. nicklas backstrom was 16th.

you're using information from two seasons ago to prove something that happened this past season. that's faulty at best.

two seasons ago, nylander had 35 even strength points and hyman had 28 total points, and since we are only focusing on points and nothing else, then no, hyman isn't better than nylander. the opposite is true. it's stupid to use stats from two seasons ago to justify something that happened this past season. you can't compare hyman's 38 even strength points this past season to nylander's 35 even strength points two seasons ago because they happened in two different seasons.

this past season, hyman had 38 even strength points this season, laine has 39 even strength points and nylander had 49 even strength points.

 

[GoJetsGo55]

laine was 15th in even strength scoring, not 16th. nicklas backstrom was 16th.

you're using information from two seasons ago to prove something that happened this past season. that's faulty at best.

two seasons ago, nylander had 35 even strength points and hyman had 28 total points, and since we are only focusing on points and nothing else, then no, hyman isn't better than nylander. the opposite is true. it's stupid to use stats from two seasons ago to justify something that happened this past season. you can't compare hyman's 38 even strength points this past season to nylander's 35 even strength points two seasons ago because they happened in two different seasons.

this past season, hyman had 38 even strength points this season, laine has 39 even strength points and nylander had 49 even strength points.

You're talking like it's ancient history.

There's this narrative trying to be put out there that Laine is only a PP specialist.

Well....he's been in the season for 2 seasons. One of those seasons he had issues gelling with his center and in the other, he was 15th overall in even strength points.

Why are we only allowed to reference this past season?

Can I use this past offseason to paint Matthews as a playoff bust? Sure the year before he had 5 points in 6 games but apparently that doesn't count.

 

[rent free]

You're talking like it's ancient history.

There's this narrative trying to be put out there that Laine is only a PP specialist.

Well....he's been in the season for 2 seasons. One of those seasons he had issues gelling with his center and in the other, he was 15th overall in even strength points.

Why are we only allowed to reference this past season?

i'm not talking like its ancient history. rather, i'm talking as if it's irrelevant to the situation because it is.

we're only allowed to reference this past season because that's the only season the poster you originally responded to was referring to. he wasn't referring to any other season. he was just talking about this past season.

 

[Cellee]

No interest in Kadri.

Impossible to cheer for him.

 

[GoJetsGo55]

i'm not talking like its ancient history. rather, i'm talking as if it's irrelevant to the situation because it is.

we're only allowed to reference this past season because that's the only season the poster you originally responded to was referring to. he wasn't referring to any other season. he was just talking about this past season.

Now you're just making crap up

"I knew Hyman was a good 5v5 player but i never knew that Laine wasn't"

Try again.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Trouba is going to walk in a year or two, why would any team trade for him?

It isn't "a year or two". It is two years. There is no walking in one.

Why does any team trade for pending FA's at the trade deadline? They will walk in 3 months.

You get 2 years of Trouba playing plus exclusive rights to negotiate with him for 2 years. That's why a team would trade for him.

 

[rent free]

Now you're just making crap up

"I knew Hyman was a good 5v5 player but i never knew that Laine wasn't"

Try again.

you don't know for sure that he was referring to both this past season and the season before and not just this past season.

your original argument was still faulty.

 

[GoJetsGo55]

you don't know for sure that he was referring to both this past season and the season before and not just this past season.

your original argument was still faulty.

It's a fairly opened ended statement that makes no reference to a specific year. You are the one making the assumption.

 

[Fogelhund]

Why does any team trade for pending FA's at the trade deadline? They will walk in 3 months.

Because teams believe the addition will help them in the playoffs, and the cost is worth the chance to pursue the cup. Teams who think this is the final piece, are willing to mortgage future pieces, for a run now.

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You get 2 years of Trouba playing plus exclusive rights to negotiate with him for 2 years. That's why a team would trade for him.

If there is a team, who views their window as just two years, Trouba would be a very attractive addition.

I believe, the Leafs view their window as being longer than just those two years. Trouba would help over those first two years, and then likely losing him hurts after that. If it was probable that Trouba was willing to extend, so that the Leafs could add a long term piece to the puzzle, he would be a better fit.

Given it appears as though he wouldn't resign, making a trade for Trouba, just doesn't seem to make sense for the Leafs plan.

 

[34]

Kadri is a solid #2C that scores 30+ goals every year and shuts down the best players in the NHL. In fact Naz would be the #1C on a handful of NHL teams.

No way Toronto is trading him for 24 point D man who is not particularly great defensively. Trouba is also going to bolt to the US after next season anyway. This brings his trade value down. He already has made it very very clear he does not want to play in Canada. He has become the most overrated D man on HF.

 

[Duke16]

Kadri is one of the best contracts in the NHL? He's a 2nd-3rd line center making 4.5 AAV, that's not bad, but that's barely under the market value.


This is basically one of those, "We have a spare part, we would like your crowned jewel for a guy we don't really need anymore." threads.


It would require substantially more than Kadri to land Trouba because assuming Trouba goes it wouldn't be for a rental.

Kadri is legit a fringe 1C. 30G/60TS vs top lines. Would be a very good 2C on most teams and make $7M as a UFA right now

 

[Randy Randerson]

Kadri is a solid #2C that scores 30+ goals every year and shuts down the best players in the NHL. In fact Naz would be the #1C on a handful of NHL teams.

No way Toronto is trading him for 24 point D man who is not particularly great defensively. Trouba is also going to bolt to the US after next season anyway. This brings his trade value down. He already has made it very very clear he does not want to play in Canada. He has become the most overrated D man on HF.

I'm a Leaf fan, this is an extremely disingenuous view of Trouba. If you're going to give him no credit for his upside (which you should, he could be a #1), at least give an honest picture of what he is today. - - His 24 points were in 55 games, 36pt pace, which is not out of line with his career average so he deserves credit for that
- he faced really high level competition for big minutes in a more-defensive-than-not usage to very respectable results, including defensively

it's posts like this that ruin the main boards for the rest of us

 

[34]

Kadri is legit a fringe 1C. 30G/60TS vs top lines.

He sure is. The #’s don’t lie. Naz is a beast. Babcock loves him too.

 

[34]

I'm a Leaf fan, this is an extremely disingenuous view of Trouba. If you're going to give him no credit for his upside (which you should, he could be a #1), at least give an honest picture of what he is today. - - His 24 points were in 55 games, 36pt pace, which is not out of line with his career average so he deserves credit for that
- he faced really high level competition for big minutes in a more-defensive-than-not usage to very respectable results

Troubas career high is 33 points. He is a good D man but he is not Doughty or Karlsson. Lets not get carried away.

Kadri also faces the top competition every game he plays. He goes head to head with the NHL’s best and still scores 30+ goals every year. Also, he is on one of the very best contracts in the league. Toronto can not afford to lose him.

 

[Fogelhund]

Troubas career high is 33 points. He is a good D man but he is not Doughty or Karlsson. Lets not get carried away.

Kadri also faces the top competition every game he plays. He goes head to head with the NHL’s best and still scores 30+ goals every year. Also, he is on one of the very best contracts in the league. Toronto can not afford to lose him.

Arguing about value isn't relevant, if Trouba isn't going to be a long term piece.

 

[Randy Randerson]

Troubas career high is 33 points. He is a good D man but he is not Doughty or Karlsson. Lets not get carried away.

Kadri also faces the top competition every game he plays. He goes head to head with the NHL’s best and still scores 30+ goals every year. Also, he is on one of the very best contracts in the league. Toronto can not afford to lose him.

you're not accounting for games missed for Trouba, he's a career 32pt/82 game player who just turned 24 and has already shown that he can handle big minutes and tough competition. For contrast, Rielly is a career 36pt/82 game player who has faced similar usage and competition and has shown he can handle it, so those are fairly comparable assets and only Rielly's last year really differentiates them (and the outlook on these two was switched last at this time, Trouba had a better 16/17 than Rielly)

He's not Doughty or Karlsson, but if he was Kadri wouldn't be a starting point for a 24 year old RFA version of him, not by a long shot. He's a top pairing dman already, with the chance to be a bonafide #1, that's not going to come cheap

I also wouldn't trade 4 years of Kadri at that cap hit for 2 years of him (and I would venture a guess that it doesn't fit the Jets needs either), but there's no need to pretend Trouba is less than he is

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Because teams believe the addition will help them in the playoffs, and the cost is worth the chance to pursue the cup. Teams who think this is the final piece, are willing to mortgage future pieces, for a run now.

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If there is a team, who views their window as just two years, Trouba would be a very attractive addition.

I believe, the Leafs view their window as being longer than just those two years. Trouba would help over those first two years, and then likely losing him hurts after that. If it was probable that Trouba was willing to extend, so that the Leafs could add a long term piece to the puzzle, he would be a better fit.

Given it appears as though he wouldn't resign, making a trade for Trouba, just doesn't seem to make sense for the Leafs plan.

That first part was rhetorical.

Every period of 3 years, or 5 years, or 10 has a first 2. Why do you think it is so likely they would lose him after that? Is there something wrong with playing in Toronto? I'm not aware of any reason to assume he would not re-sign in Toronto. In fact, just the opposite.

 

[HockeyFan4Lyfe]

leafs arent trading one of the best contracts in the league lol

 

[Fogelhund]

That first part was rhetorical.

Every period of 3 years, or 5 years, or 10 has a first 2. Why do you think it is so likely they would lose him after that? Is there something wrong with playing in Toronto? I'm not aware of any reason to assume he would not re-sign in Toronto. In fact, just the opposite.

It has been reported/rumoured that he wishes to play in the U.S.

 

[exporta]

Kadri is one of the best contracts in the NHL? He's a 2nd-3rd line center making 4.5 AAV, that's not bad, but that's barely under the market value.


This is basically one of those, "We have a spare part, we would like your crowned jewel for a guy we don't really need anymore." threads.


It would require substantially more than Kadri to land Trouba because assuming Trouba goes it wouldn't be for a rental.

Kadri produces at a top 30 C rate in the league, back to back 30g seasons, and plays the hardest QoC signed for the next 4 years (all prime years) and is rarely misses time to injury.

Many Leaf fans think he's expendable, but he can anchor a line and in home ice match ups free's Matthews and Tavares from defensive match ups.

Did your Xbox break or something, or is NHL 19 not out yet? Spare part? 3rd line C? Haha

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

It has been reported/rumoured that he wishes to play in the U.S.

There have been all kinds of rumours. Nothing has been substantiated. That 'no Canada' rumour seemed to be one of the weaker ones but everyone remembers it.

We can speculate that he would prefer 1 of the Fla teams. He has a condo and a GF in Fla. We can also speculate that he would like Detroit because it is his family home. We can assume he would sign in Wpg for the right money. That is only slightly speculative since he actually has said as much. We can also speculate that what he really wants is a big market city, an original 6 city with a lot of opportunity for side money, endorsements, etc. We can speculate that he wants to play for a contending team.

Toronto is a big city. It is an original 6 team. It is a lot closer to Detroit. The Leafs are a contending team. It is not south of the border if that matters. Why would it if he has all those other things?

All that we know is that he appears to be happy in Winnipeg. He has said he wants to stay here but would not commit here long term for whatever Chevy offered him. Something else we don't know is how much that was or for how long. If he would sign in Winnipeg for the right offer, why would the same not apply to Toronto?

 

[Fogelhund]

There have been all kinds of rumours. Nothing has been substantiated. That 'no Canada' rumour seemed to be one of the weaker ones but everyone remembers it.

We can speculate that he would prefer 1 of the Fla teams. He has a condo and a GF in Fla. We can also speculate that he would like Detroit because it is his family home. We can assume he would sign in Wpg for the right money. That is only slightly speculative since he actually has said as much. We can also speculate that what he really wants is a big market city, an original 6 city with a lot of opportunity for side money, endorsements, etc. We can speculate that he wants to play for a contending team.

Toronto is a big city. It is an original 6 team. It is a lot closer to Detroit. The Leafs are a contending team. It is not south of the border if that matters. Why would it if he has all those other things?

All that we know is that he appears to be happy in Winnipeg. He has said he wants to stay here but would not commit here long term for whatever Chevy offered him. Something else we don't know is how much that was or for how long. If he would sign in Winnipeg for the right offer, why would the same not apply to Toronto?

I think there is legs to that rumour, but we shall see in time.

I think one of the reasons that Tavares chose Toronto, was because his GF/Fiance had recently graduated from school locally, and was working locally. I don't doubt that the same could be true with Trouba.

That being said, obtaining a Trouba, who was willing to stay in Toronto LT, would be a good franchise move, assuming it was a good hockey trade, for both sides.

I hate trade discussions, because fanbases rarely agree on things. My personal opinion, having watched the Jets some, and looking at the stats... is that if there is anywhere in your lineup that could use improvement, it's the offense from the LHD. You've got Morrisey at 26 points, and Chiarot with 14 points. I think something around Gardiner makes more sense, than Nylander or Kadri personally... as the other talks have been dominated by. Gardiner gets a great deal more flack than he deserves, for pinches that result in the back of the Leafs net...and of course he wasn't good in Game 7 vs. Boston... but he is actually quite good, take a look at the fancy stats..... plus 52 points. When he's pinched, the problem has been that the forwards haven't covered for him, and a number of times the RHD played the shooter, and didn't take away the pass.... So, let's assume that Trouba would go to Toronto.... what would you want @Mortimer Snerd ?

 

[Hunter368]

Niku ready to break into the team after dominating the AHL and being voted defenceman of the year......not sure how much we would want Gardiner TBH....seems like a waste o resources trading for him.