Proposal: A trade around Kadri and Trouba

[Visnovsky]

Assuming Trouba would change his mind and be willing to do an extension with Toronto, would this be something that both teams would contemplate?

Kadri is, at the moment, on one of the best contracts in the NHL - which creates a unique chance for Toronto to grab a quality RHD in return for him.

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[Halla]

But he cant sign an extension for at least 6 months because of the arbitrators ruling....
this guy that can arbitrate/ take a qualifying offer right to UFA
and now he is gonna want more than 7

while i dont mind it because the leafs need a guy like this, the leafs take all the risk while the the
Jets get a 30g C on an absolute sweetheart deal

 

[Visnovsky]

But he cant sign an extension for at least 6 months because of the arbitrators ruling....
this guy that can arbitrate/ take a qualifying offer right to UFA
and now he is gonna want more than 7

while i dont mind it because the leafs need a guy like this, the leafs take all the risk while the the
Jets get a 30g C on an absolute sweetheart deal

That is true, and I thought of that, but didn't comment on it.

Someone like Parayko would also make sense, but it would require for St. Louis to need a centre, which they don't. Also Manson in Anaheim, but I highly doubt they'd ever consider trading him.

 

[Skrudland2Lomakin]

Kadri is one of the best contracts in the NHL? He's a 2nd-3rd line center making 4.5 AAV, that's not bad, but that's barely under the market value.


This is basically one of those, "We have a spare part, we would like your crowned jewel for a guy we don't really need anymore." threads.


It would require substantially more than Kadri to land Trouba because assuming Trouba goes it wouldn't be for a rental.

 

[sansabri]

Who exactly replaces Trouba?

 

[Phion Keneuf]

Kadri is one of the best contracts in the NHL? He's a 2nd-3rd line center making 4.5 AAV, that's not bad, but that's barely under the market value.


This is basically one of those, "We have a spare part, we would like your crowned jewel for a guy we don't really need anymore." threads.


It would require substantially more than Kadri to land Trouba because assuming Trouba goes it wouldn't be for a rental.

Kadri is a 2nd-3rd like Center?

More like a 1st/2nd line C.

 

[Skrudland2Lomakin]

Kadri is a 2nd-3rd like Center?

More like a 1st/2nd line C.

Kadri is not a first line center, good lord the Toronto hype train never sleeps. On a playoff team he's second line, on a good playoff team he's third line. Why do you think your team no longer needs him?

On Winnipeg last season he would have been the third line center, on Washington he would have been the third line center, on Pittsburgh he would have been the third line center, on Tampa he would arguably be second line center but I could see third line, on Vegas this year he would be third line, I could go on and on.

I think you're confusing a prior lack of center depth in Toronto with being the standard across the league.

 

[ConnorMcNugesaitl]

But he cant sign an extension for at least 6 months because of the arbitrators ruling....
this guy that can arbitrate/ take a qualifying offer right to UFA
and now he is gonna want more than 7

while i dont mind it because the leafs need a guy like this, the leafs take all the risk while the the
Jets get a 30g C on an absolute sweetheart deal

What are you talking about.

Trouba is a restricted free agent at the end of this year so I don't know what risk you're assuming here.

 

[DoobieDubas]

Kadri is one of the best contracts in the NHL? He's a 2nd-3rd line center making 4.5 AAV, that's not bad, but that's barely under the market value.


This is basically one of those, "We have a spare part, we would like your crowned jewel for a guy we don't really need anymore." threads.


It would require substantially more than Kadri to land Trouba because assuming Trouba goes it wouldn't be for a rental.

Lol..past 2 years over 30 goals each year back to back seasons while facing other teams top line..not second line, not third. He faces the crosby mcdavids and racks up goals. He also is up there in the league in penalties drawn every year. He fights as well and hits.

he is a amazing 2a centre in the NHL with a sweetheart contract 4.5 mil..for 32 goals a year covering other teams best lines and drawing penalties..ok.

 

[Halla]

Kadri is one of the best contracts in the NHL? He's a 2nd-3rd line center making 4.5 AAV, that's not bad, but that's barely under the market value.


This is basically one of those, "We have a spare part, we would like your crowned jewel for a guy we don't really need anymore." threads.


It would require substantially more than Kadri to land Trouba because assuming Trouba goes it wouldn't be for a rental.

16-17: 32g/61pts
17-18: 32g/55pts

He makes 600k+ less than Tom Wilson, who has never had 15g

lol at the barely under market value comment. 9th among C in goals over the past 2 seasons. you think that is barely below market value?

last 2 years:

Kadri: 64g/116pts (4.5 mil)
ROR: 44g/116pts (7.5mil)
Johansen: 29g/115pts (8 mil)

you can see yourself out now

edit: felt like i had to address the trouba wont be going for a rental comment... WHAT? Naz is locked up for 4 more years, at 4.5mil! gotta say this comment was one of the worst ive ever seen on this site...and thats saying a LOT. so much wrong...

 

[DoobieDubas]

16-17: 32g/61pts
17-18: 32g/55pts

He makes 600k+ less than Tom Wilson, who has never had 15g

lol at the barely under market value comment. 9th among C in goals over the past 2 seasons. you think that is barely below market value?

last 2 years:

Kadri: 64g/116pts (4.5 mil)
ROR: 44g/116pts (7.5mil)
Johansen: 29g/115pts (8 mil)

you can see yourself out now

Add in penalties drawn and its even more lopsided

 

[Halla]

Lol..past 2 years over 30 goals each year back to back seasons while facing other teams top line..not second line, not third. He faces the crosby mcdavids and racks up goals. He also is up there in the league in penalties drawn every year. He fights as well and hits.

he is a amazing 2a centre in the NHL with a sweetheart contract 4.5 mil..for 32 goals a year covering other teams best lines and drawing penalties..ok.

I still get a kick at anyone who thinks the guy who is 9th in goals/tied for 27th in pts among C the past 2 years is a 3C. Kadri is as much a 3C as Malkin is a 2C.

 

[7even]

Kadri is not a first line center, good lord the Toronto hype train never sleeps. On a playoff team he's second line, on a good playoff team he's third line. Why do you think your team no longer needs him?

On Winnipeg last season he would have been the third line center, on Washington he would have been the third line center, on Pittsburgh he would have been the third line center, on Tampa he would arguably be second line center but I could see third line, on Vegas this year he would be third line, I could go on and on.

I think you're confusing a prior lack of center depth in Toronto with being the standard across the league.

You're embarrassing yourself here buddy. Look at where his goal scoring ranks amongst all centers leaguewide over the past three seasons and the quality of competition he faces, his ability to play rover on the PP, his ability to matchup against all but the absolute best centres in the game.

2nd-3rd line? Of course he's going to be 3rd line on some teams (like his own) but that's just the very mundane observation that some teams are deeper than others. Spare part? Criiiiiiinge.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Who exactly replaces Trouba?

believe it or not, you can have a trade that doesn't involve a direct replacement going back the other way. If trouba doesn't want to stay in Winnipeg (which looks to be the case), they'll have to replace him anyway

 

[Skrudland2Lomakin]

Lol..past 2 years over 30 goals each year back to back seasons while facing other teams top line..not second line, not third. He faces the crosby mcdavids and racks up goals. He also is up there in the league in penalties drawn every year. He fights as well and hits.

he is a amazing 2a centre in the NHL with a sweetheart contract 4.5 mil..for 32 goals a year covering other teams best lines and drawing penalties..ok.

Do you actually have the metrics to back this up or are you just assuming he plays his minutes exclusively against other top lines because that's how we hockey!

Regarding what he brings to the table. One, if I'm shopping for a "top line center" I'm first off not giving a flying f*** if he fights. Second, his point total puts him at 78th in the league, was there a team in the East that made the playoffs last year with first line center producing under 60 points in 80GP? Yeah, they're called rookies, Pierre Luc Dubois and Nico Hischier are the only guys that were top line centers with comparable stats.

 

[Skrudland2Lomakin]

You're embarrassing yourself here buddy. Look at where his goal scoring ranks amongst all centers leaguewide over the past three seasons and the quality of competition he faces, his ability to play rover on the PP, his ability to matchup against all but the absolute best centres in the game.

2nd-3rd line? Of course he's going to be 3rd line on some teams (like his own) but that's just the very mundane observation that some teams are deeper than others. Spare part? Criiiiiiinge.

He's not a spare part in Toronto? Why would the Leafs then trade a "first line center" that they can plug away on the third line.

Simply because you can put him on awful teams and he'd be a first liner doesn't make him a "first line center". You're trying to discard literally all of the good teams in the league by saying "well maybe he wouldn't be a first liner on those teams." Yeah... he can probably play first line on the Saskatoon Blades, that's not an endorsement of him being a first liner.

Find me a playoff team from last year that isn't rolling with their first round pick in their 1C that would actually use him as a first line center.

 

[Skrudland2Lomakin]

Add in penalties drawn and its even more lopsided

It doesn't really mean much when you also all called for more penalties than you draw What Happened To Nazem Kadri's Penalty Drawing Ability? - NHL Numbers

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Do you actually have the metrics to back this up or are you just assuming he plays his minutes exclusively against other top lines because that's how we hockey!

Regarding what he brings to the table. One, if I'm shopping for a "top line center" I'm first off not giving a flying **** if he fights. Second, his point total puts him at 78th in the league, was there a team in the East that made the playoffs last year with first line center producing under 60 points in 80GP? Yeah, they're called rookies, Pierre Luc Dubois and Nico Hischier are the only guys that were top line centers with comparable stats.

yes, we have the metrics. his QoC was pretty much the same as guys like Giroux, Couturier, Backstrom, etc.

so your argument is that it's possible to have a 1C worse than Kadri and still be a playoff team? interesting

 

[Rolo]

Neutral fan.

Kadri is a legit 1B center. Also his wingers have been...

Leo Komarov
Connor Brown
Patrick Marleau
Mitch Marner (for a little under half a season)
Michael Grabner

Put him with 1st line talents consistently, he's a 65+ point player.

Add in all the other things he does (throws players off their game, draws penalties, solid defense, great cap-hit) he's EXTREMELY valuable.

He'd look great with Laine and Ehlers.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

It doesn't really mean much when you also all called for more penalties than you draw What Happened To Nazem Kadri's Penalty Drawing Ability? - NHL Numbers

this is from 2016

 

[howkie]

Cant see Trouba beeing traded now, if he is traded it would only happen if a team has an extension in place. Good luck with that, we talking Kurt Overdouch as an agent.

 

[MagicalRazor]

Toronto has the best Center depth in the league hands down , Babs loves center depth even kyle dubas said it at the NHL Draft he said babs is happy , we picked alot of centers and Dman . I think we run the Centers we have Plus kadri is top 3 shut down D in the league . And this trade helps the jets alot. Kadri has McDavids number for what ever reason Mcdavid has a really hard time playing VS kadri he shuts him down super hard .

 

[Crazed Fan]

Jets have their shut down centre. What they also have is a rd to play with Morrissey. Jets would want someone that could fill that massive hole youd be creating. Right now i would be more than happy with Trouba for the next 2 years so we can be competitive in a long playoff run. Until then i am sure Chevy is looking at solid rd replacements first.

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

He's not a spare part in Toronto? Why would the Leafs then trade a "first line center" that they can plug away on the third line.

They wouldn’t. Just because some Leafs fans on a hockey forum want to use him in a deal does not mean that Leafs management is actually looking to trade him.

A guy like Trouba would be one of the exceptions where trading Kadri makes sense.

 

[jay caufield forhead]

kadri is a excellent 3rd line center or a very good 2nd line center on a great deal. In a vacuum trouba is more valuable take contract into account its very close