Proposal: A trade around Kadri and Trouba

[Randy Randerson]

Hyman also plays a much more complete 200 foot game that Laine simply does not. If Laine isn’t sniping goals he’s useless. Hyman is someone you hate to play against.

Hyman is also utterly carried by his linemates offensively. I'm a Leaf fan

Kadri is overrated.

21, 28, 29, 23 assists.... Yikes

that's definitely cherrypicking to find a negative. He's more of a goal scorer than a passer, and he's played with some linemates who really didn't finish much for him to get more assists in the last few years

there's lots of guys that you can frame negatively with this kind of cherrypicking who are tremendous players

Ryan Getzlaf: 25, 13, 15, 11 goals....Yikes

 

[Starat327]

Hyman also plays a much more complete 200 foot game that Laine simply does not. If Laine isn’t sniping goals he’s useless. Hyman is someone you hate to play against.

There's no realm in which Hyman's name should be spoken with Laine unless we're talking about the guy who is hand scrubbing Laine's jock. Laine drives play and handles business. Hyman gets driven by one of the best centers in the game, and literally just has to keep to the most basic rule in hockey - "keep your stick on the ice" to get points.

 

[Ziggdiezan]

If the Leafs traded Kadri they would have the worst bottom 6 centers in the league.

At this point it would consist of two AHL quality players. Maybe one of the Euro free agents will surprise me but still, not close to playoff caliber.

Kadri allows the Leafs third line wingers (who are good players) to get enough ice time and allows for the 4th line center to get very little ES ice time.

 

[Nylanderthal]

Hyman is also utterly carried by his linemates offensively. I'm a Leaf fan


that's definitely cherrypicking to find a negative. He's more of a goal scorer than a passer, and he's played with some linemates who really didn't finish much for him to get more assists in the last few years

there's lots of guys that you can frame negatively with this kind of cherrypicking who are tremendous players

Ryan Getzlaf: 25, 13, 15, 11 goals....Yikes

I guess I needed the sarcasm emoji...

 

[Randy Randerson]

I guess I needed the sarcasm emoji...

ah, fair enough. plain text is hard to catch sarcasm in

 

[LeafingTheWay]

If the Leafs traded Kadri they would have the worst bottom 6 centers in the league.

At this point it would consist of two AHL quality players. Maybe one of the Euro free agents will surprise me but still, not close to playoff caliber.

Kadri allows the Leafs third line wingers (who are good players) to get enough ice time and allows for the 4th line center to get very little ES ice time.

But if we ever had to trade Kadri, we could surivive. Nylander would be switched to C. Marner/Kapanen/Brown would become our RWs. Not saying it'd be good for us, but it Kadr can get us a Slavin then...

 

[loyaltotheend]

But if we ever had to trade Kadri, we could surivive. Nylander would be switched to C. Marner/Kapanen/Brown would become our RWs. Not saying it'd be good for us, but it Kadr can get us a Slavin then...

Personally would rather keep the ridiculous centre depth, and the Matthews/Nylander Tavares/Marner combos. I really think them plus a Kadri-led 3rd line is going to be brutal to try and deal with. That is legit matchup nightmare

 

[Habs Halifax]

Kadri is a 2nd-3rd like Center?

More like a 1st/2nd line C.

- 2nd/3rd line center on a team trying to win the cup.

- 1st/2nd line center on a team that is middle of the pack trying to be a cup contender but can't past the 1st round .

 

[Habs Halifax]

Personally would rather keep the ridiculous centre depth, and the Matthews/Nylander Tavares/Marner combos. I really think them plus a Kadri-led 3rd line is going to be brutal to try and deal with. That is legit matchup nightmare

How would you feel about Matthews playing wing with Tavares at center?

Matthews / Tavares / Hyman
Johnsson / Kadri / Marner
Marleau / Nylander / Kapanen

 

[loyaltotheend]

How would you feel about Matthews playing wing with Tavares at center?

Matthews / Tavares / Hyman
Johnsson / Kadri / Marner
Marleau / Nylander / Kapanen

Certainly tempting factoring in great addition to the d-corps as well.

I probably still would stand pat for a couple of reasons: Matthews/Nylander is proven chemistry, they're great together. Second I don't think that lineup gets the most out of Marner. Lastly, my ideal 3rd line is
Johnsson Kadri Kapanen
which I think has potential to do damage while being very capable defensively

Still tempting though lol

Edit: I'm not sure if there is any d-corps addition in your proposal? I wrote that thinking there was a trade involved. I think I'm a little out of it lol
My bad

 

[Habs Halifax]

Certainly tempting factoring in great addition to the d-corps as well.

I probably still would stand pat for a couple of reasons: Matthews/Nylander is proven chemistry, they're great together. Second I don't think that lineup gets the most out of Marner. Lastly, my ideal 3rd line is
Johnsson Kadri Kapanen
which I think has potential to do damage while being very capable defensively

Still tempting though lol

Will be interesting to see how Babcock tinkers with the line-up from game to game

 

[Randy Randerson]

How would you feel about Matthews playing wing with Tavares at center?

Matthews / Tavares / Hyman
Johnsson / Kadri / Marner
Marleau / Nylander / Kapanen

seems sort of needless to gamble on Nylander being a center rather than just rolling something more like:
Hyman-Matthews-Nylander
Marleau-Tavares-Marner
Johnsson/Kapanen-Kadri-Brown

on a play style front, Nylander is really good at gaining zone entry along the boards (especially the right boards), turning on the jets to get the defender moving towards his own goal line then changing directions quickly back towards the blueline with the puck under control leaving the defender moving in the wrong direction and giving Nylander lots of space to make a pass to the middle somewhere, and Matthews is one of the better players in the league at working inside the home plate area as a finisher. So personally I think it makes more sense to keep Matthews in the middle of the ice and Nylander on the RW, and that combo works well together because Nylander ends up gaining the zone and feeding the puck into the middle where Matthews is to generate chances

JT and Matthews are stylistically similar as well, both high volume shooters from high danger areas, so there might be a bit of a diminished return by putting them together - only so much HD area possession to go around

I am also pretty optimistic on Nylander's chances of being a center, just don't see the point of moving a sure-thing center to the wing to find out

 

[heilongjetsfan]

"There's at least 6 teams where he (Kadri) would be a 3C and I think that's a conservative estimate".

PIT = Crosby, Malkin, Kadri
WSH = Backstrom, Kuznetsov, Kadri
EDM = McDavid, Draisaitl, Kadri

Would you mind finishing the list?

Thanks

Boston, Tampa and Florida? St. Louis for sure. A case (not a very strong one) could be made for Winnipeg. Karlsson and Stastny looks decent for VGK and depending on your opinion of Kyle Turris, he could be 4C in Nashville.

 

[Goleafsgo95]

Kadri is a very important defensive player for us. Though I would probably do this deal, I am not itching to trade Kadri.

 

[Saitama]

Just when we thought this thread had maybe died....

 

[Whileee]

Savage bro that's a good stat . I knew Hyman was a good 5v5 player but i never knew that Laine wasn't

Nylander with 31 5v5 points in 2016/17...

 

[Whileee]

Hyman also plays a much more complete 200 foot game that Laine simply does not. If Laine isn’t sniping goals he’s useless. Hyman is someone you hate to play against.

5v5 points...

Marner 37
Hyman 35

So Hyman > Marner because 200 ft gritty player, right?

 

[ole ole]

This isn’t enough for Trouba, Kadri+Defenseman replacement maybe?

Kadri and Liljegren might get the Jets talking.

 

[Liferleafer]

Kadri and Liljegren might get the Jets talking.

They'd be talking amongst themselves.

 

[Snowman]

Kadri and Liljegren might get the Jets talking.

No, it wouldn't. The Jets have no real need for Kadri.

 

[pmwlker]

Any trade for Trouba needs to include a right handed top 4 defender or it just creates a massive hole. Centers and wingers as the offer are pointless.

 

[Baksfamous112]

They'd be talking amongst themselves.

That’s usually what happens once a formal offer is deposited. They talk amongst themselves to see if it’s enough/a good fit.

 

[Ziggdiezan]

But if we ever had to trade Kadri, we could surivive. Nylander would be switched to C. Marner/Kapanen/Brown would become our RWs. Not saying it'd be good for us, but it Kadr can get us a Slavin then...

I dont think Babcock wants to play Willy at center this year and honestly neither do I as I want to watch Matthews and Nylander play together as they are amazing.

Well of course you make a kadri for slavin trade lol but I wouldn't trade Kadri for anything barring a huge overpayment which most of the offers the past few weeks haven't been.

 

[GoJetsGo55]

Savage bro that's a good stat . I knew Hyman was a good 5v5 player but i never knew that Laine wasn't

Psssssssssst

Look at number 15

Even Strength Scoring Leaders: 2016-17 NHL Season

Then scroll allllll the way down to number 91.

Is Hyman better than Nylander?

 

[Liferleafer]

That’s usually what happens once a formal offer is deposited. They talk amongst themselves to see if it’s enough/a good fit.

If they heard an offer of Kadri plus Lil...it came from the voices in their heads, not from the Leafs.