Player Discussion #40 Elias Pettersson, Pt. VI

[krutovsdonut]

I mock because it is mock worthy.

What is Jay Beagle going to teach Elias Pettersson about playing hockey?

"Here Elias- this is how you dangle in the NHL" LOL.

Or are all of his intangibles just going to rub off on Pettersson by osmosis?

so it is your theory that jay beagle as a veteran defensive centre and face off specialist, well known as a great team mate, and generally a solid all around pro has nothing he can teach to a raw rookie entering the league?

 

[elitepete]

yep. so sutter could be freed up to ride shotgun with pettersson.

Is this a joke? Sutter is an offensive black hole.

 

[CanaFan]

so it is your theory that jay beagle as a veteran defensive centre and face off specialist, well known as a great team mate, and generally a solid all around pro has nothing he can teach to a raw rookie entering the league?

Do you believe he can teach Pettersson anything that couldn’t be taught by (and maybe more easily understood from) Loui Eriksson or Alex Edler?

 

[krutovsdonut]

Is this a joke? Sutter is an offensive black hole.

like i said, it would be nice if he got to play a year with the sedins.

unless he somehow clicks with horvat or gaudette blows the doors off at camp, i don't see what else they will do. the reality is they don't have a 2nd line centre, and they just signed two centres not as good as sutter. other choices are gagner or granlund i guess but granlund is barely a centre anymore and gagner will wilt. sutter will at least cover defensively and keep up with the play and he has a decent shot if pettersson gets it to him.

 

[krutovsdonut]

Do you believe he can teach Pettersson anything that couldn’t be taught by (and maybe more easily understood from) Loui Eriksson or Alex Edler?

i think people underestimate how much young nhl players learn from watching their team mates in game situations. it's one reason i don't like burn it down rebuilds. it's also a big reason i didn't like losing hamhuis.

so yes, i believe beagle can teach pettersson how to play centre better than either of those guys you mention simply by playing centre right in front of petterson for 14 minutes a night.

and that's a good thing. for different reasons, horvat, gagner and granlund are not good defensive centres. sutter for me is a true pro and ok defensively but also a frustratingly limited player in all zones, so i am glad the young canucks will have another decent defensive centre to watch every game.

 

[M2Beezy]

yep. so sutter could be freed up to ride shotgun with pettersson.

Good God no

 

[Jay Cee]

so it is your theory that jay beagle as a veteran defensive centre and face off specialist, well known as a great team mate, and generally a solid all around pro has nothing he can teach to a raw rookie entering the league?

My feeling, which I wouldn't confuse with a theory since I don't think it is that complicated, is that Pettersson will get almost zero from Beagle. They don't play a similar game at all and one is way more skilled than the other. I guess Beagle could say "even though I am not as fast or as skilled as you, this is what you need to do on defense."

Then again we have coaches and players that aren't 4th liners who could teach that lesson a little better. It really doesn't have to be a 4th line player vs an art ross trophy winner.

 

[CanaFan]

i think people underestimate how much young nhl players learn from watching their team mates in game situations. it's one reason i don't like burn it down rebuilds. it's also a big reason i didn't like losing hamhuis.

so yes, i believe beagle can teach pettersson how to play centre better than either of those guys you mention simply by playing centre right in front of petterson for 14 minutes a night.

and that's a good thing. for different reasons, horvat, gagner and granlund are not good defensive centres. sutter for me is a true pro and ok defensively but also a frustratingly limited player in all zones, so i am glad the young canucks will have another decent defensive centre to watch every game.

Then watch Sutter. Weirdly there’s no actual offensively oriented C for Pettersson to learn from outside of 23 year old Bo Horvat, but he’s got defensive Centres out the wazzoo. Plus defensive skills are largely coached into players while offensive skills/schemes tend to be more individualistic so I’m not sure you can really mentor a defensive game into Pettersson.

Besides I recall Naslund and Ohlund being spoken about by the Sedins as big influences on them when they first arrived, as well as early linemate Trent Klatt. I don’t recall 34 year old Centre Mike Stapleton being credited with much.

 

[krutovsdonut]

Then watch Sutter.

well, he can't watch sutter as well if they are on the same line...

 

[Jay Cee]

Oops.

 

[Jay Cee]

well, he can't watch sutter as well if they are on the same line...

It seems like you have never played hockey and have some blind spots about stuff.

 

[krutovsdonut]

It seems like you have never played hockey and have some blind spots about stuff.

so you watch other players while you are on the ice but not from the bench?

 

[CanaFan]

well, he can't watch sutter as well if they are on the same line...

I would bloody well hope he can see what Sutter is doing while they are on the ice together ...

 

[CanaFan]

so you watch other players while you are on the ice but not from the bench?

I think a player can do both, though playing with a player gives you more of a feel than merely “watching”.

 

[Lindgren]

The Canucks have Sutter and Beagle, two centres who are defensive specialists, and they have Malhotra, who was such a specialist and is now a coach. I'm not sure, however, that that's enough insulation, instruction, and mentorship for Pettersson if he's going to develop properly.

The opportunity is there to trade Horvat, who's got his problems with defence, and acquire one more defensive centre, so no matter where Pettersson looks or who he talks to, whether he's on the bench, on the ice, or in the dressing room, he'll be learning to play the right way. Put him with a couple of defensive specialists on the wings and a couple of defencemen who can't move the puck, and everything will be A-OK.

 

[Kryten]

The Canucks have Sutter and Beagle, two centres who are defensive specialists, and they have Malhotra, who was such a specialist and is now a coach. I'm not sure, however, that that's enough insulation, instruction, and mentorship for Pettersson if he's going to develop properly.

The opportunity is there to trade Horvat, who's got his problems with defence, and acquire one more defensive centre, so no matter where Pettersson looks or who he talks to, whether he's on the bench, on the ice, or in the dressing room, he'll be learning to play the right way. Put him with a couple of defensive specialists on the wings and a couple of defencemen who can't move the puck, and everything will be A-OK.

This triggered me til I got the end. Good job

 

[CanaFan]

The Canucks have Sutter and Beagle, two centres who are defensive specialists, and they have Malhotra, who was such a specialist and is now a coach. I'm not sure, however, that that's enough insulation, instruction, and mentorship for Pettersson if he's going to develop properly.

The opportunity is there to trade Horvat, who's got his problems with defence, and acquire one more defensive centre, so no matter where Pettersson looks or who he talks to, whether he's on the bench, on the ice, or in the dressing room, he'll be learning to play the right way. Put him with a couple of defensive specialists on the wings and a couple of defencemen who can't move the puck, and everything will be A-OK.

Fair point. Glue him to the Hutton-Gudbranson pairing and he’ll be practising defense constantly.

 

[ChilliBilly]

The Canucks have Sutter and Beagle, two centres who are defensive specialists, and they have Malhotra, who was such a specialist and is now a coach. I'm not sure, however, that that's enough insulation, instruction, and mentorship for Pettersson if he's going to develop properly.

The opportunity is there to trade Horvat, who's got his problems with defence, and acquire one more defensive centre, so no matter where Pettersson looks or who he talks to, whether he's on the bench, on the ice, or in the dressing room, he'll be learning to play the right way. Put him with a couple of defensive specialists on the wings and a couple of defencemen who can't move the puck, and everything will be A-OK.

Ok, this is unacceptable. Assuming the obvious, that this is sarcasm, please understand that there are many here who get in into extended discussion on this as though it is serious.

 

[ChilliBilly]

it is too bad pettersson did not get to watch a season of henrik. i think we underestimate the value of having skilled veterans for young players to watch and learn from in game situations. that said, i don't have much doubt pettersson will transition to centre as he physically matures even if he plays his entire rookie season on the wing. vaxjo just put a veteran centre on his line when he played centre so they could spell him in and out, and i am sure the canucks will do the same.

From everything i hear about EP, I don't think this matters.

To poorly quote his SEL coach, we didn't teach him anything - taught us. I think we are in for a treat. He and Bure are probably the 2 players who are going to develop regardless of veteran leadership.

 

[Wo Yorfat]

Ok, this is unacceptable. Assuming the obvious, that this is sarcasm, please understand that there are many here who get in into extended discussion on this as though it is serious.

Yeah I don't imagine there are. And anyone who needs emoticons to tell them a post is sarcastic deserves the grief.

 

[bossram]

so it is your theory that jay beagle as a veteran defensive centre and face off specialist, well known as a great team mate, and generally a solid all around pro has nothing he can teach to a raw rookie entering the league?

I mean, there are likely other ways for him to improve at defensive zone play and faceoffs than committing 12 million over 4 years to an aging 4th line center.

You could like, take him to the video room. Or y'know, just practice faceoffs on off-days.

And for cripes sakes we already have Brandon freakin' Sutter. How many "rah rah defensive/intangibles/grit/leadership" types do we need to overpay?

 

[M2Beezy]

The Canucks have Sutter and Beagle, two centres who are defensive specialists, and they have Malhotra, who was such a specialist and is now a coach. I'm not sure, however, that that's enough insulation, instruction, and mentorship for Pettersson if he's going to develop properly.

The opportunity is there to trade Horvat, who's got his problems with defence, and acquire one more defensive centre, so no matter where Pettersson looks or who he talks to, whether he's on the bench, on the ice, or in the dressing room, he'll be learning to play the right way. Put him with a couple of defensive specialists on the wings and a couple of defencemen who can't move the puck, and everything will be A-OK.

Haha now THAT is funny, assuming is sarcasm, because IF not yikes watch out Lindy

 

[elitepete]

like i said, it would be nice if he got to play a year with the sedins.

unless he somehow clicks with horvat or gaudette blows the doors off at camp, i don't see what else they will do. the reality is they don't have a 2nd line centre, and they just signed two centres not as good as sutter. other choices are gagner or granlund i guess but granlund is barely a centre anymore and gagner will wilt. sutter will at least cover defensively and keep up with the play and he has a decent shot if pettersson gets it to him.

Rather have him play on the top line or center his own line with 2 veteran wingers.

Sutter should only be used in a defensive role, he is close to useless when put in offensive situations.

That is not a role that Pettersson should be deployed in.

 

[Regal]

i think people underestimate how much young nhl players learn from watching their team mates in game situations. it's one reason i don't like burn it down rebuilds. it's also a big reason i didn't like losing hamhuis.

so yes, i believe beagle can teach pettersson how to play centre better than either of those guys you mention simply by playing centre right in front of petterson for 14 minutes a night.

and that's a good thing. for different reasons, horvat, gagner and granlund are not good defensive centres. sutter for me is a true pro and ok defensively but also a frustratingly limited player in all zones, so i am glad the young canucks will have another decent defensive centre to watch every game.

Watch him get caved in defensively? If Beagle shows anything on the ice it will be what not to do to succeed

 

[DonnyNucker]

Watch him get caved in defensively? If Beagle shows anything on the ice it will be what not to do to succeed

Lol what’s with the Beagle hate? Washington sure seemed to like him as well as the other ten teams that pithed offers. His contracts sucks but he is still a quality NHL player