Prospect Info: #3 Overall Pick Discussion - Part 3

[AmericanDream]

for those interested - USA vs Sweden today around noon on NHL Network- Turcotte will be playing, Zegras is out..nice chance to see a few of these kids in action.

 

[BK]

Anyone have a link to the stream (IIHF U18)? Mine from the IIHF broken.

 

[HawksDub89]

What do you guys think of Pierre-luc Dubois?

Fantastic two way forward picked 3rd three drafts ago. Likely has a selke in his future.

I’m just saying...I’d take a player like that at 3.

Obviously this is all just a matter of opinion.

 

[BK]

for those interested - USA vs Sweden today around noon on NHL Network- Turcotte will be playing, Zegras is out..nice chance to see a few of these kids in action.

Zegras hurt?

 

[BK]

What do you guys think of Pierre-luc Dubois?

Fantastic two way forward picked 3rd three drafts ago. Likely has a selke in his future.

I’m just saying...I’d take a player like that at 3.

Obviously this is all just a matter of opinion.

Hard to win Selke when you are getting 67% O zone starts but only have a 52% corsi. Less takeaways than giveaways too.

 

[bwana63]

Whatever we get from Mitchell and Krys would be bonus.

This diminishment of Mitchell's ceiling, in light of his decision to stay in school another year, is not warranted.

 

[AmericanDream]

Zegras hurt?

yep, got hurt in the exhibition game vs Finland - upper body/arm related...is skating on the ice, but still not ready yet, possibly back in next game or two...

 

[ColdSteel2]

What do you guys think of Pierre-luc Dubois?

Fantastic two way forward picked 3rd three drafts ago. Likely has a selke in his future.

I’m just saying...I’d take a player like that at 3.

Obviously this is all just a matter of opinion.

Big fan of PLD. The difference here is that PLD is such a natural center. He’s the prototype of what any team would want, size, skill, speed, compete level, durability, IQ. The only weakness to his game is faceoffs, but he should get up to 50% with more experience.

 

[RememberTheRoar]

Big fan of PLD. The difference here is that PLD is such a natural center. He’s the prototype of what any team would want, size, skill, speed, compete level, durability, IQ. The only weakness to his game is faceoffs, but he should get up to 50% with more experience.

Is Turcotte a shorter version of PLD?

I’ve been reading more about Turcotte, and man does he sound like a future stud #1C

 

[x Tame Impala]

Obviously not at #3. But I doubt you're getting just a "pretty good" 60 point defender at #3 most the time.

I get what he’s saying. It’d be a real waste to pass on ByrAM and pick a guy who ends up being a Monahan-caliber guy at #3 (Monahan was drafted 6th)

 

[ColdSteel2]

Is Turcotte a shorter version of PLD?

I’ve been reading more about Turcotte, and man does he sound like a future stud #1C

Yeah, it looks like it. I like Turcotte too, seems like he has 1C potential. PLD has a lot of Hossa in him with the way he can use his size to protect the puck, bull through the zone and plant himself around the net. It seems like Turcotte has a similar mentality. It’s just a question of whether his body can hold up to it. PLD has never missed a game.

 

[ChicagoHockeyFan]

What do you guys think of Pierre-luc Dubois?

Fantastic two way forward picked 3rd three drafts ago. Likely has a selke in his future.

I’m just saying...I’d take a player like that at 3.

Obviously this is all just a matter of opinion.

Not trying to be a dick but cozens is nowhere near the level that PLD was on either side of the puck in his draft year. They play way different styles also. Cozens relies on speed and shot in his game PLD is more of a net front guy

 

[ChiHawks10]

I get what he’s saying. It’d be a real waste to pass on ByrAM and pick a guy who ends up being a Monahan-caliber guy at #3 (Monahan was drafted 6th)

None of these guys are "sure things" though. You may pass on Turcotte, and he turns into Bergeron, or Toews, or Datsyuk, and Byram could bust. It's just the way it goes with prospects.

 

[RememberTheRoar]

None of these guys are "sure things" though. You may pass on Turcotte, and he turns into Bergeron, or Toews, or Datsyuk, and Byram could bust. It's just the way it goes with prospects.

Who has the higher bust potential, in your opinion, between Byram and Turcotte?

 

[Kevin Musto]

Who has the higher bust potential, in your opinion, between Byram and Turcotte?

I feel like Turcotte only due to injury concern. If you took the injury history away, it'd be a tough call.

 

[RememberTheRoar]

I feel like Turcotte only due to injury concern. If you took the injury history away, it'd be a tough call.

Ya, that’s what I was thinking too

 

[LDF]

I feel like Turcotte only due to injury concern. If you took the injury history away, it'd be a tough call.

exactly my call as well esp with the same type of injury. Hips is a vital part of body to have problem let alone a recurring problem.

 

[LordKOTL]

I have no real horse in this race. On the surface between Byram, Turcotte, Kakko (if he falls), or your father's brother's nephew's Cozen's former roommate, I feel like we're almost splitting hairs over who is better/safer and I'll leave the in-depth analysis to those more familiar with each of their games.

I think between all of them the onus is on Stan to get the guy that has the most short and long-term potential to bring real help to the squad. This does have to take into account not only the good team O, the abyssimal team D, but also the fact that we really have no de facto next #1 in net once Crawford is done--Delia did nothing to secure the keys to the crease this season. Now I'm not saying Stan should take a goalie at #3--in fact he should be given a slow, sheet-lightning enema if he does so. But coupled with the fact that we got quite a few guys looking for a payday at the end of next season and most, if not all of Crawford's 6M should be earmarked for paying for them, that doesn't leave much to pay for a sub-elite or better netminder.

That being said, if the best player available is cut from the same cloth as Kane or Debrincat I'm not against pulling them in, but that would put more pressure on getting backend help in the FA market and shipping out cap to pay for it. Ditto with a Leddy/Gus clone. But between sound D from a d-man and sound D from a forward for pick 3? Both will help tremendously in my opinion. But I believe the key is both long and short-term help--and that's where Stan and his scouts will be in the hot seat. Irrespective of who we get or who is "best" or "better", I think a bust is completely unacceptable. Even if we take Byram (hypothetically), and he ends up being a solid D-man, I won't be upset if hypothetically, Cozens becomes the better player as long as Byram helps the team. But if Byron is a bust it would be inexcusable, even if Cozens, Turcotte, or whomever else were also busts.

 

[BK]

Who has the higher bust potential, in your opinion, between Byram and Turcotte?

I think Turcotte has a higher floor as worst case he is a 4c (unless injuries come into play). D typically have higher bus potential as is it just a harder position to forecast.

 

[LDF]

I think Turcotte has a higher floor as worst case he is a 4c (unless injuries come into play). D typically have higher bus potential as is it just a harder position to forecast.

good point and i would like to further add that any chance of getting a potential top pairing d-men at that selection, you go and draft that player.

 

[BK]

I am not drafting for floor, I am drafting for ceiling. Just want to make that very clear.

 

[Kevin Musto]

Also I had a dream about the draft this morning.

Jersey picked Hughes and New York picked Kakko. The dream kind of ended around when Chicago was picking so it wasn't very clear. Filip Zadina came on stage to make the selection on behalf of the Hawks for whatever reason. I'm not sure who he picked, but I was seeing Byram highlights on the broadcast so I'm not sure if that was the pick or if they were just showing a potential pick. Dreams are so muddy sometimes. I'll keep you updated on any future draft dreams.

 

[ChiHawks10]

Who has the higher bust potential, in your opinion, between Byram and Turcotte?

Turcotte simply due to injury potential/history.

 

[AmericanDream]

Who has the higher bust potential, in your opinion, between Byram and Turcotte?

I think the pretty cool thing about both kids is they are both skilled enough away from the puck that if for whatever the reason their offensive game doesn't translate to what many hope for at the NHL level, their defensive capabilities will keep them in the NHL for a long time. Both kids are pretty safe outside of injuries of course. I do like to see that these two really aren't boom/bust type players..you will be getting a NHL player here, just how good is the obvious tough question.

 

[LDF]

I am not drafting for floor, I am drafting for ceiling. Just want to make that very clear.

but you do have a valid insight to this discussion as i believe everyone else.

for me, i like to listen to opinions.