GDT: 3 More To Go: Rags @ Devils, 7 PM, MSG+

[devilsblood]

I wouldn’t mind Carrick as the #6, but we already have several bottom pairing guys here for next year. That’s the problem. And that’s with penciling Santini no higher than the #7.

Mueller and Greene. Then we have Butcher, Severson, Vatanen and probably Smith. And that’s without even making another hopeful upgrade.

Mueller isn’t signed for next year and I don’t think Carrick is either, so one of them feels like they’re almost definitely not here for next year.

One being a righty and one being a lefty makes me think they are not really competing for the same job. Now Carrick and Santini? If Vat's is healthy next year we wo't see both of those guys.

 

[PizzaAndPucks]

Man, Bastian was 13-3 in the corsi dept. 9-2 in shots.

Noesen Rooney Bastian dominated in possession.

Would be a good 4th line to run next season

 

[Bleedred]

One being a righty and one being a lefty makes me think they are not really competing for the same job. Now Carrick and Santini? If Vat's is healthy next year we wo't see both of those guys.

This staff hasn't been anal about handedness like the regime before it or some others.

I think Santini is already a #7 guy for next year and only because he's signed.

If Carrick is brought back, I don't see it being the #7 guy. At least not to start the year. He'd be an almost every nighter, if not an every nighter at the start.

 

[Peter Sidorkiewicz]

i think Carrick gets signed and he and Santini battle it out for a spot on the roster at training camp.

The loser gets demoted to AHL, to be the teams 8th defenseman, ie the Eric Gryba role.

 

[Patrik26]

You know, the logical part of me wants the Devils to lose out including tonight against the rags. Get the best possible odds for Hughes or Kakko or however the hell you spell his name. Then I'm sitting with rags fans here, there and everywhere tonight and I'm thinking, at least don't get blown out. THEN hanky-poo makes a stop and I hear a rags fan behind me bragging "Henrik says NO". Bite me. Not a minute later Stafford/Carrick to the rescue and the "Henrik!" chant. Screw my logic. I'll settle for losses in the last two.

 

[TheUnseenHand]

Haha **** the rags.

 

[glenwo2]

Man, Bastian was 13-3 in the corsi dept. 9-2 in shots.

Noesen Rooney Bastian dominated in possession.

Would be a good 4th line to run next season

 

[OmNomNom]

You know, the logical part of me wants the Devils to lose out including tonight against the rags. Get the best possible odds for Hughes or Kakko or however the hell you spell his name. Then I'm sitting with rags fans here, there and everywhere tonight and I'm thinking, at least don't get blown out. THEN hanky-poo makes a stop and I hear a rags fan behind me bragging "Henrik says NO". Bite me. Not a minute later Stafford/Carrick to the rescue and the "Henrik!" chant. Screw my logic. I'll settle for losses in the last two.

the mongoloids of manhattan can't even say "henrik" properly half the time

 

[AfroThunder396]

the mongoloids of manhattan can't even say "henrik" properly half the time

Totally understandable, every time someone says "Henrik" I immediately think of Adam Henrique.

 

[devilsblood]

Would be a good 4th line to run next season

I'm iffy on it. Noesen's inability to stay healthy is a concern. And right now I'd like to see Bastian start the year in the AHL. Continue that goal scoring run he was on earlier this year and then get the call up.

 

[FooteBahl]

Would be a good 4th line to run next season

I don’t want Noesen anywhere near this team next year. Stafford also.

 

[Bleedred]

I don’t want Noesen anywhere near this team next year. Stafford also.

I don’t think either will be back.

Noesen will likely be at least one of this year’s versions of Beau Bennett (or DSP without the buyout) where they let him go. Someone else will probably sign him because he was good two years ago and he’s only 26, as well as a former first round pick.

I think they know this is Stafford’s last stand. I posted the stats last night. Stafford has 8 goals and 20 points over his last 102 NHL games, including 2 games in the playoffs. That’s going back to November of 2017, after he had 8 points in his first 14 games to start the year.

He’s also 34 years old by next year and will likely be even worse. We really shouldn’t be signing a guy that nobody else has wanted in about 3 years now and looks shot, outside of a couple hot streaks and one over the last couple weeks. The guy went unsigned for about 7 weeks of free agency in 2017 before we signed him in late August and it’s clear nobody wanted him last year, outside of us giving him the PTO.

 

[JK3]

Whew! I was worried we might not pick up those valuable two points in a meaningless game between two trash teams.

 

[My3Sons]

Whew! I was worried we might not pick up those valuable two points in a meaningless game between two trash teams.

My impression was that it was a good game to win. NYR wanted the game and NJ showed some pride and pushback. For young players that is never a bad thing.

 

[None Shall Pass]

My impression was that it was a good game to win. NYR wanted the game and NJ showed some pride and pushback. For young players that is never a bad thing.

No. You're not allowed to be happy that your favorite team beat your least favorite team. That is a ridiculous emotion and not at all what a GDT should be.

 

[FooteBahl]

My impression was that it was a good game to win. NYR wanted the game and NJ showed some pride and pushback. For young players that is never a bad thing.

100% correct. The lottery is a complete crapshoot and a percentage point or two in either direction doesn’t have that much of an impact. We’re picking anywhere from 1-6 most likely in a pretty good draft...plus we have lottery ball Hall on our side.

 

[Wingman77]

I don’t want Noesen anywhere near this team next year. Stafford also.

These players need to be moved on from and better, more consistently reliable players brought forth instead.

It is time to cut back on focusing on these types of players where the team is trying to get more ketchup out of the bottom of an empty bottle and instead focus making the team strong enough where these types of players seldom needed or are backup options.

 

[Oneiro]

Creating competition at every spot is a good thing.

I don't mind having Noesen back. He had a rough go this year and there's an argument that Anderson/Bastian do his thing better, but keeping the bottom six on an upward trend year-long is one of the things the team has to get right to take the next step.

 

[Bleedred]

These players need to be moved on from and better, more consistently reliable players brought forth instead.

It is time to cut back on focusing on these types of players where the team is trying to get more ketchup out of the bottom of an empty bottle and instead focus making the team strong enough where these types of players seldom needed or are backup options.

I think players like Noesen are fine, but it’s time to move on from the actual Noesen.

He was a good player for us last year and when he was first obtained on waivers, so I don’t agree with staying away from these types of players. I think they’re needed in a depth role, but the actual Noesen needs to go or we’re just signing him to just re-sign him and and we can’t be re-signing every single 4th line guy that’s here.

Stafford the first time wasn’t a bad signing, but he wasn’t needed after last year and absolutely shouldn’t be near the team in a playing capacity after Saturday night.

I was all for giving Noesen another chance a few weeks ago, but he’s went back to doing nothing again since that Vancouver game.

And as I said, goaltending was the main culprit in killing us off early this year, but that doesn’t mean that just because Keith Kinkaid is gone, we bring back most of the remaining team. Even in years when we’re been good we’ve gotten rid of the underachievers or guys that were just one year depth guys. Think Michael Grabner and Brian Gibbons last year. Grabner was an underachiever and Gibbons was just a one year depth guy.

 

[njdevils1982]

I think players like Noesen are fine, but it’s time to move on from the actual Noesen.

He was a good player for us last year and when he was first obtained on waivers, so I don’t agree with staying away from these types of players. I think they’re needed in a depth role, but the actual Noesen needs to go or we’re just signing him to just re-sign him and and we can’t be re-signing every single 4th line guy that’s here.

Stafford the first time wasn’t a bad signing, but he wasn’t needed after last year and absolutely shouldn’t be near the team in a playing capacity after Saturday night.

I was all for giving Noesen another chance a few weeks ago, but he’s went back to doing nothing again since that Vancouver game.

And as I said, goaltending was the main culprit in killing us off early this year, but that doesn’t mean that just because Keith Kinkaid is gone, we bring back most of the remaining team. Even in years when we’re been good we’ve gotten rid of the underachievers or guys that were just one year depth guys. Think Michael Grabner and Brian Gibbons last year. Grabner was an underachiever and Gibbons was just a one year depth guy.

i hated it from the beginning but i understood why on the first time….one year/stop gap/whatever

…its the second signing that incensed me to no end………just glad the end is finally here

 

[Wingman77]

I think players like Noesen are fine, but it’s time to move on from the actual Noesen.

He was a good player for us last year and when he was first obtained on waivers, so I don’t agree with staying away from these types of players. I think they’re needed in a depth role, but the actual Noesen needs to go or we’re just signing him to just re-sign him and and we can’t be re-signing every single 4th line guy that’s here.

Stafford the first time wasn’t a bad signing, but he wasn’t needed after last year and absolutely shouldn’t be near the team in a playing capacity after Saturday night.

I was all for giving Noesen another chance a few weeks ago, but he’s went back to doing nothing again since that Vancouver game.

And as I said, goaltending was the main culprit in killing us off early this year, but that doesn’t mean that just because Keith Kinkaid is gone, we bring back most of the remaining team. Even in years when we’re been good we’ve gotten rid of the underachievers or guys that were just one year depth guys. Think Michael Grabner and Brian Gibbons last year. Grabner was an underachiever and Gibbons was just a one year depth guy.

It becomes a problem when it is a reoccurring theme of bringing in too many of these cheaper plugs with hopes of forcing something, anything out of them. As I mentioned, they are good for depth purposes, but the line becomes crossed a bit when they are forced into being relied upon, even if not a top 6 or special teams role, because there is no depth elsewhere and they are the best options available on the team, which is far from a positive scenario. I agree Noesen the person should be moved on from, but less of the players of his type should be relied upon to be in the lineup too often.

Farnham
DSP
Bennett
Quincey
Auvitu
Noesen
Gibbons
Hayes
Stafford
JS Dea
Yakolev

Stepmniak, Tlusty, Tyler Kennedy, Parenteau training camp bargain bin types, who once were quality depth players, but no longer what they used to be, can be thrown in as well - even though some of them at least provided some production. Ultimately more band-aids though which were eventually lineup depth holes exposed further once those players were gone and more cheap short-term plugs were brought in again to replace rather than trying to find longer term, reliable options. Agostino and Carrick hopefully will not be the latest to fall into this category also and they should absolutely be kept around going into next season, but not as guys expected to be guaranteed in the lineup, rather fighting to gain a spot on the roster because there also hopefully should be more better options in front of those guys. This isn't a trend a team looking to progress can keep following.

 

[Oneiro]

These plugs are low risk, high reward bets made by GMs. A lot of players on that list have caught fire and helped their teams for a season or two or even just a couple months, whether it was for the Devils or not. That's worth it when you pay essentially nothing for a boost that might be the difference in making the playoffs or not (obviously one of many factors). By its very nature, there are more misses than hits. Carrick, Agostino, etc. are fact-finding missions. Agostino is a good 4th line add and/or competition for kids.

You make these bets when your drafting sucks or your pool is too young and isn't graduating guys fast enough. We've got players incoming and they're taking spots (Coleman, Wood, Bratt) and now Anderson, Bastian, McLeod, etc. But the latter group will have their ups and downs and need to take a seat for a stretch - that's when your vet in the press box is a useful plug.

We're doing what you're saying, but it takes time.

 

[Billdo]

This is great

 

[Triumph]

Yeah, I wouldn't mind taking a chance on Noesen again next season. If he wants to move on, I'd understand, but I think he's earned another shot with his play down the stretch - he's only had one point but 30 shots in 13 games is pretty good. If he's bad in training camp, he can be waived.

 

[Nubmer6]

Yeah, I wouldn't mind taking a chance on Noesen again next season. If he wants to move on, I'd understand, but I think he's earned another shot with his play down the stretch - he's only had one point but 30 shots in 13 games is pretty good. If he's bad in training camp, he can be waived.

Wasn't he playing with an injury for most of the season? I thought I read that somewhere.