Value of: 2C to Col.

[Eltuna]

So Avs want a <26 year old 2nd line center scoring around 60 points but their 5 most valuable pieces are untouchable?

Tolvanen/Fabbro weren’t on the table for Turris (Girard looks amazing now but at the time his value was lower), Ottawa didn’t want to give White/Brown/Chabot for Duchene (again the 1st looks really good now but it wasn’t thought of as a really good asset at the time), St Louis didn’t want to give Kyrou/Thomas for ROR, Tampa didn’t want to give Sergachev/Foote for McDonagh, San Jose didn’t want to give Meier/Hertl for Karlsson, Buffalo didn’t want to give up a good prospect for Skinner, St Louis again didn’t want to give up a good prospect for Schenn. The league has been changing the last couple of years where A level prospects and picks have not been on the table seemingly no matter who the player is.

 

[Riptide]

By adding another good C to this team we have a good shot at becoming a legit contender here in the next couple seasons. I mean I’m not saying just give away every prospect to improve the at all costs, but you have to see what’s out here. We have something special with this top line and it’d be horrible to waste it.

The trick is to spend smartly - and ideally on someone who's not a rental.

 

[S E P H]

So Avs want a <26 year old 2nd line center scoring around 60 points but their 5 most valuable pieces are untouchable?

Well a 2nd line centre is not worth Landeskog, Rantanen, MacKinnon, Makar, or EJ Johnson. And a package deal for one of those players doesn't make too much sense either on the Avs side of the spectrum. So, you're just baseless complaining considering that Jost, Varlamov, Barrie, Meloche, Timmins, Ottawa's 1st, Avs 1st, and everything else is still available.

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

By adding another good C to this team we have a good shot at becoming a legit contender here in the next couple seasons. I mean I’m not saying just give away every prospect to improve the at all costs, but you have to see what’s out here. We have something special with this top line and it’d be horrible to waste it.

I agree that having a better 2nd line will make us a legit contender. I just don't agree that we need to look outside the system to find our 2C. Anyone who might be available that is definitely an improvement over our current youngsters is going to be prohibitively expensive, and might very well still get surpassed at 2C if Jost/Compher/Kerfoot/Kamanev/Hughes* reach their ceilings.

 

[VoluntaryDom]

It’s not even close. In the extremely unlikely event that we were to trade him we’d be looking for a right-handed 2/3D on a good deal who can replace Stralman. We aren’t trading him for magic beans that if we’re lucky might turn into a lower line player three or four years from now. We’ll trade Miller for a first, not Johnson.

I would trade Johnson before Miller. Johnson is a discount Gourde/Point stylistically, Miller brings a different element to the team. And btw if we trade Johnson for a pick it would be easy to flip the pick for a RHD.

 

[GirardSpinorama]

I agree that having a better 2nd line will make us a legit contender. I just don't agree that we need to look outside the system to find our 2C. Anyone who might be available that is definitely an improvement over our current youngsters is going to be prohibitively expensive, and might very well still get surpassed at 2C if Jost/Compher/Kerfoot/Kamanev/Hughes* reach their ceilings.

Dont forget bowers.

 

[The Abusement Park]

I agree that having a better 2nd line will make us a legit contender. I just don't agree that we need to look outside the system to find our 2C. Anyone who might be available that is definitely an improvement over our current youngsters is going to be prohibitively expensive, and might very well still get surpassed at 2C if Jost/Compher/Kerfoot/Kamanev/Hughes* reach their ceilings.

You can’t just throw Hughes in there. Obviously if we get Hughes than our 2C issue is settled long term. But the chances of that happening are slim to none. If we can get a good C for a 1st and prospect or something in that range we should seriously consider it.

 

[nightonthesun]

I agree that having a better 2nd line will make us a legit contender. I just don't agree that we need to look outside the system to find our 2C. Anyone who might be available that is definitely an improvement over our current youngsters is going to be prohibitively expensive, and might very well still get surpassed at 2C if Jost/Compher/Kerfoot/Kamanev/Hughes* reach their ceilings.

Yep. No rentals... no overpayments... we're not in the middle of an emergency. Let the kids duke it out. I'm of the opinion that lots of Avs fans are being way too impatient with Jost, anyway.

And also yeah please stop penciling in Hughes. :/

 

[GirardSpinorama]

You can’t just throw Hughes in there. Obviously if we get Hughes than our 2C issue is settled long term. But the chances of that happening are slim to none. If we can get a good C for a 1st and prospect or something in that range we should seriously consider it.

we shoulda gone for Radar last year.

 

[saxonmiller]

Hopefully we'll just draft one with Ottawa's pick.


Cozens would be a great fit for us. As would Dach.

Or like, Jack Hughes

 

[BigTime99]

Ryan strome for Tyson barrie?

 

[Frankie Blueberries]

Ryan strome for Tyson barrie?

 

[The Abusement Park]

Ryan strome for Tyson barrie?

Jesus Christ.

 

[Brett44]

Ryan strome for Tyson barrie?

I prefer Barrie+ 1st AVS 2019+ Andrighetto for
Draisaitl

 

[Critical13]

Are you looking for a long term 2nd C option? Or a place holder for a year or two?

I think Jeff Carter would look great in an Avalanche jersey.

 

[Shootertooter]

Jost+ for Zibanejed would be good with me. Not so sure NYR would be completely enamored with that deal.

Rangers might rather offer up Kevin Hayes to Col.

 

[The Abusement Park]

Rangers might rather offer up Kevin Hayes to Col.

Which is fine. But I don’t think the Avs would have a ton of interest in him.

 

[Savant]

Jost+ for Zibanejed would be good with me. Not so sure NYR would be completely enamored with that deal.

It's a start

 

[The Abusement Park]

It's a start

I’d be willing to do Jost+1st+a lower end prospect for Mika and small +.

 

[hockeyviking]

So Avs want a <26 year old 2nd line center scoring around 60 points but their 5 most valuable pieces are untouchable?

Yes the point is to uppgrade the secondline not to downgrade the firstline

 

[Kevin Musto]

Schmaltz+Krys for Jost+Kaut?

 

[bleuetbio]

What about Philip Danault, which is a poor Patrice Bergeron.... I've said poor

 

[YP44]

What about Philip Danault, which is a poor Patrice Bergeron.... I've said poor

who would play center for the habs then?

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

You can’t just throw Hughes in there. Obviously if we get Hughes than our 2C issue is settled long term. But the chances of that happening are slim to none. If we can get a good C for a 1st and prospect or something in that range we should seriously consider it.

My point is that we already have 4 or 5 really good young forwards and 2 picks in the first round of this coming draft that could plausibly solve our problem at 2C in the next year or two. Even if we don't end up with Hughes, there are a handful of other good young Cs in the top 10-15 draft prospects. There's really no reason to overpay for the kind of C that we'd want.

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

Yep. No rentals... no overpayments... we're not in the middle of an emergency. Let the kids duke it out. I'm of the opinion that lots of Avs fans are being way too impatient with Jost, anyway.

And also yeah please stop penciling in Hughes. :/

After all the hype around the Sens 1st being a guaranteed 1OA this summer, I couldn't help myself. Realistically, I'm hoping we end up somewhere in the top 10 with that Sens pick. I'd be happy if we could get a Cozens/Dach/Lavoie type guy.