Boston Bruins 22-‘23 Bruins roster and trade proposals discussions. XV

[kdog82]

If I had to pick between Hall and Bertuzzi I am taking Bertuzzi.

Trade Hall for picks and re-sign Bertuzzi.

To me Bertuzzi is more the more versatile player.

My lineup next year would look something like this if possible:

Marchand-Bergeron-DeBrusk
Bertuzzi-Zacha-Pastrnak
Merkulov/Lauko-Coyle-Lysell
Foligno/Lauko-Frederic-Hathaway
Extras: Greer/Steen

Lindholm-Mcavoy
Lohrei-Carlo
Zboril-Forbort

Ullmark/Swayman

Trades: Hall/Grzelcyk/and maybe one of the goalies if they win the cup this year. Or in another scenario potentially move Coyle (love the player) but its a tough business.

 

[DiggityDog]

When I look at Hall and Bertuzzi; my primary focus is age/production and how the relates to cap figure.

Basically if you had a choice to use Hall’s $6 million cap figure, would you rather use it on Hall as you are, or the younger Bertuzzi?

I think I personally would lean Bertuzzi in that regard because I feel you will get more production from a player in his prime years. Though I will admit after the initial “shiny new toy” gleam wore off with Bertuzzi, I have found myself wanting a little more.

Another reason I feel this way is due to the fact that prior to the acquisition of Bert, I felt like moving Hall could be a wise financial decision. He is a luxury on the third line right now, but he’s also one I don’t think they can afford going into the offseason. He has protection so it’s not a simple as that, but they should explore it.

They spent two first rounders to acquire Bertuzzi, Hathaway, and Orlov. Even with the cap issues, I refuse to believe they are going to not at least try and keep at least two of those players. How? Well that’s for smarter men than me to figure out. Like I said though, Hall’s money would help.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

When I look at Hall and Bertuzzi; my primary focus is age/production and how the relates to cap figure.
Basically if you had a choice to use Hall’s $6 million cap figure, would you rather use it on Hall as you are, or the younger Bertuzzi?Another reason I feel this way is due to the fact that prior to the acquisition of Bert, I felt like moving Hall could be a wise financial decision. He is a luxury on the third line right now, but he’s also one I don’t think they can afford going into the offseason. He has protection so it’s not a simple as that, but they should explore it.
They spent two first rounders to acquire Bertuzzi, Hathaway, and Orlov. Even with the cap issues, I refuse to believe they are going to not at least try and keep at least two of those players. How? Well that’s for smarter men than me to figure out. Like I said though, Hall’s money would help.

Pretty sure they will re-sign Hathaway.

Not so much Bertuzzi and Orlov.

 

[Caper Bruins fan]

If I had to pick between Hall and Bertuzzi I am taking Bertuzzi.

Trade Hall for picks and re-sign Bertuzzi.

To me Bertuzzi is more the more versatile player.

My lineup next year would look something like this if possible:

Marchand-Bergeron-DeBrusk
Bertuzzi-Zacha-Pastrnak
Merkulov/Lauko-Coyle-Lysell
Foligno/Lauko-Frederic-Hathaway
Extras: Greer/Steen

Lindholm-Mcavoy
Lohrei-Carlo
Zboril-Forbort

Ullmark/Swayman

Trades: Hall/Grzelcyk/and maybe one of the goalies if they win the cup this year. Or in another scenario potentially move Coyle (love the player) but its a tough business.

If we are talking moving forward next year , sure keep Bertuzzi but I still think for this playoff run Taylor Hall has the potential to be impactful . Even when he isn’t playing particularly well his skating ability really makes a difference. Hall has the potential to really boost line 3 . I’m hoping he comes back and plays great .

 

[quietbruinfan]

I think they will re-sign Bertuzzi and Hathway is a cinch. Orlov and Cliffy almost certainly walk, and Gryz is probably traded. Please, in the name of God, let Zboril walk. Finding d will be a challenge. Brunet and Lohrei are very promising but are a couple of years away. I would let Bertuzzi walk and keep Gryz one more year, but not sure the Bruins will.

 

[Dr Hook]

I think they will re-sign Bertuzzi and Hathway is a cinch. Orlov and Cliffy almost certainly walk, and Gryz is probably traded. Please, in the name of God, let Zboril walk. Finding d will be a challenge. Brunet and Lohrei are very promising but are a couple of years away. I would let Bertuzzi walk and keep Gryz one more year, but not sure the Bruins will.

I can't argue with this one. Zboril is just not that good. Good on the club for giving him every shot to carve out a spot here, but he's definitely 8th on the depth chart and probably not worth re-signing.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

I can't argue with this one. Zboril is just not that good. Good on the club for giving him every shot to carve out a spot here, but he's definitely 8th on the depth chart and probably not worth re-signing.

Pretty sure he is already signed for next season.

 

[JoeIsAStud]

Pretty sure he is already signed for next season.

He is.

It's possible they decide to move him. But hard to get someone better for the same or less money

 

[Dr Hook]

Pretty sure he is already signed for next season.

Yes, he is, has another year left. That said, I wouldn't mind him being moved on. At least his cap hit can pretty much 100% buried in Providence if not. I don't think he has a place on the team going forward except as emergency depth.

 

[HustleB]

I think they will re-sign Bertuzzi and Hathway is a cinch. Orlov and Cliffy almost certainly walk, and Gryz is probably traded. Please, in the name of God, let Zboril walk. Finding d will be a challenge. Brunet and Lohrei are very promising but are a couple of years away. I would let Bertuzzi walk and keep Gryz one more year, but not sure the Bruins will.

I believe you still need to move one more significant cap hit in order to achieve this.

 

[quietbruinfan]

I believe you still need to move one more significant cap hit in order to achieve this.

I do not think so. if Orlov, Bert, cliffy and Zboril all walk. THAt covers Gryz, I think... I figure Merk OR long-shot Mclovin replaces Bert.

 

[LavioletteScores]

I think they will re-sign Bertuzzi and Hathway is a cinch. Orlov and Cliffy almost certainly walk, and Gryz is probably traded. Please, in the name of God, let Zboril walk. Finding d will be a challenge. Brunet and Lohrei are very promising but are a couple of years away. I would let Bertuzzi walk and keep Gryz one more year, but not sure the Bruins will.

IMO Grizz, Forbort and Zboril should all be traded to re-sign Orlov and then some.

 

[Hookslide]

If I had to pick between Hall and Bertuzzi I am taking Bertuzzi.

Trade Hall for picks and re-sign Bertuzzi.

To me Bertuzzi is more the more versatile player.

My lineup next year would look something like this if possible:

Marchand-Bergeron-DeBrusk
Bertuzzi-Zacha-Pastrnak
Merkulov/Lauko-Coyle-Lysell
Foligno/Lauko-Frederic-Hathaway
Extras: Greer/Steen

Lindholm-Mcavoy
Lohrei-Carlo
Zboril-Forbort

Ullmark/Swayman

Trades: Hall/Grzelcyk/and maybe one of the goalies if they win the cup this year. Or in another scenario potentially move Coyle (love the player) but its a tough business.

That he quite a few rookies you have in the lineup and if you don't trade Coyle he would have two on his line.......umm

 

[kdog82]

See Colorado. This is what happens when you go all in to win. At least the Bruins will be solid in net. A lineup like this still makes the playoffs imo.

 

[CellyHard]

If you see Lohrei as an eventual top four defensemen, which I think most of this fan base and front office believe, then you don’t resign Orlov. There wouldn’t be a spot for him to crack it in like five years.

Like others have said we are going to have to retool in a way. Gryz gets the easiest minutes on the entire backend next to McAvoy. It’s actually a great place to break in Lohrei IMO. Just like Chara did for Mac. Forbort should anchor the third pair with Zboril and a vet.

 

[Kegs]

If you see Lohrei as an eventual top four defensemen, which I think most of this fan base and front office believe, then you don’t resign Orlov. There wouldn’t be a spot for him to crack it in like five years.

Like others have said we are going to have to retool in a way. Gryz gets the easiest minutes on the entire backend next to McAvoy. It’s actually a great place to break in Lohrei IMO. Just like Chara did for Mac. Forbort should anchor the third pair with Zboril and a vet.

i just can’t imagine they don’t move forbort. I think he will be moved in the off-season.

 

[quietbruinfan]

Yes, he is, has another year left. That said, I wouldn't mind him being moved on. At least his cap hit can pretty much 100% buried in Providence if not. I don't think he has a place on the team going forward except as emergency depth.

I looked him up on Sportrac and blast it, he is signed for a year. I could have sworn he is a group VI UFA....He may have gone over the games played threshold this year and he is not 26... We are stuck with this guy.

 

[JoeIsAStud]

I looked him up on Sportrac and blast it, he is signed for a year. I could have sworn he is a group VI UFA....He may have gone over the games played threshold this year and he is not 26... We are stuck with this guy.

They signed him to a 2 year contract last summer. They liked him enough to protect him from waivers all season, and now are playing him so he is ready if needed for postseason.

I guess I wouldn't be shocked if he is dealt, but I think they believe he is a far better player than you do

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

If you see Lohrei as an eventual top four defensemen, which I think most of this fan base and front office believe, then you don’t resign Orlov. There wouldn’t be a spot for him to crack it in like five years.

Like others have said we are going to have to retool in a way. Gryz gets the easiest minutes on the entire backend next to McAvoy. It’s actually a great place to break in Lohrei IMO. Just like Chara did for Mac. Forbort should anchor the third pair with Zboril and a vet.

Or, trade the demonstrably worse defensman in Forbort. The team has given up three (3) goals in 66 shorthanded minutes since his injury. Play Grizz with McAvoy, and break the kid in on the third pair (if he's ready next year).

The Zboril hatred is silly.

 

[quietbruinfan]

They signed him to a 2 year contract last summer. They liked him enough to protect him from waivers all season, and now are playing him so he is ready if needed for postseason.

I guess I wouldn't be shocked if he is dealt, but I think they believe he is a far better player than you do

And I think he is a far Worse player than even I think....if that makes sense. The guy is clumsy, cant backskate, or crossover without falling, anticipates poorly, does not move well laterally and does not handle the puck well. I have seen them come and go, and he is probably the third worst Bruin d of the last 40 years behind only incredibly bad one trick pony, Bartkowski, and skilless goon, Brian Curran-dishonorable mention to David Shaw.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

And I think he is a far Worse player than even I think....if that makes sense. The guy is extremely clumsy, cant backskate, or crossover without falling, does not move well laterally and does not handle the puck well. I have seen them come and go, and he is probably the third worst Bruin d of the last 40 years behind only incredibly bad one trick pony, Bartkowski, and skilless goon, Brian Curran.

As always, this player evaluation is a disaster.

 

[DominicT]

And I think he is a far Worse player than even I think....if that makes sense. The guy is extremely clumsy, cant backskate, or crossover without falling, does not move well laterally and does not handle the puck well. I have seen them come and go, and he is probably the third worst Bruin d of the last 40 years behind only incredibly bad one trick pony, Bartkowski, and skilless goon, Brian Curran.

Last time you said this (you've repeated yourself) I sent exactly what you said with some video on Zboril to a professional skating coach. Her reply to me was "ignore everything he/she says."

Now, I won't ignore you, but I always refer to the pros when assessing a player's skating.

Just an FYI.

 

[quietbruinfan]

Last time you said this (you've repeated yourself) I sent exactly what you said with some video on Zboril to a professional skating coach. Her reply to me was "ignore everything he/she says."

Now, I won't ignore you, but I always refer to the pros when assessing a player's skating.

Just an FYI.

Fine, idon't claim to be a skating coach, but glad he or she doesn't work for the Bruins.

 

[DominicT]

Fine, idon't claim to be skating coach, but glad he or she doesn't work for the Bruins.

I will have to go back and re-read what I wrote, but I don't recall saying she doesn't work for the Bruins.

I do remember saying "her reply" which means she is a she and not a he or she though. But I better double check that as well.

 

[SPLBRUIN]

If I had to pick between Hall and Bertuzzi I am taking Bertuzzi.

Trade Hall for picks and re-sign Bertuzzi.

To me Bertuzzi is more the more versatile player.

My lineup next year would look something like this if possible:

Marchand-Bergeron-DeBrusk
Bertuzzi-Zacha-Pastrnak
Merkulov/Lauko-Coyle-Lysell
Foligno/Lauko-Frederic-Hathaway
Extras: Greer/Steen

Lindholm-Mcavoy
Lohrei-Carlo
Zboril-Forbort

Ullmark/Swayman

Trades: Hall/Grzelcyk/and maybe one of the goalies if they win the cup this year. Or in another scenario potentially move Coyle (love the player) but its a tough business.

No way I'm taking Bertuzzi over Hall, Hall can drive a line, Bertuzzi complements it.