Okay but I think Forbort and a forward such as Hall/Coyle also have to go. It’s not going to be as easy as moving Gryz and Carlo which is obviously quite tough.
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Kegs
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Moving Carlo and Gryz would be tough? Hot take.
OMG lets just move Pasta or McAvoy or both than there will be less players moved and we will be cap compliant , after all the game is played with all the cap wizards not on the ice anymore............ I know the salary cap is part of the all sports now , but after awhile it really does take away from the games , we need someone to come up with a better system too make these less important and I am sure someone out there a lot smarter than me could figure it out ...........and believe it is not me.......
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Actually, it’s still a really good team...
Marsh - Bergy - JDB
Lauko - Zacha - Pasta
Hall - Coyle - Lysell
Greer - Freddie - McLovin
X:Steen
Gryz - McAvoy
Lindholm - Carlo
Lohrei - Zboril
x: Callahan, Wissman
Ullmark, Swayman
Third pair doesn’t feel right, but a solid team overall... still $1.2m over the cap though.
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KnightofBoston
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I did a mock lineup on Capfriendly and I let Orlov, Bertuzzi, Clifton and Hathaway walk, traded Forbort without any retention and bought out Reilly.
Then I replaced all of the vets with Lauko, Lysell, McLaughlin, Steen, Lohrei, Zboril, Callahan and Wissman... and I’m still $1.2 over the cap.
Good god…we HAVE to win the cup this year
Not tough to move them tough to swallow the idea of moving them. It will be hard for me to see the players who have to leave this off-season. I like Bertuzzi and Orlov but it won’t be as tough for me to see the mercenaries walk away. Carlo, Gryz, Hall and Coyle are guys who could go and each will be tough on me as a fan.
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Third pairs a wild card that’s for sure. But who knows. I don’t particularly want McLaughlin. I find him tooo slow
quietbruinfan
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Switch Lysell, who is not ready and Lauko and let Zboril walk, to Omsk, because he is terrible. You are still about 600,000 over the cap but you may have a decent team.
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This is still a pretty good team but we have to face facts in the salary cap era. Going to have to move Gryz. He eats up too much salary on defense. Forbort and Gryz might have value somewhere else. Will Merkulov be ready next year?
Cannot stomach the thought of having to let Orlov walk, he's so solid. He has added to the defensive depth in a major way.
Gary Bettman was also quoted as saying that there may be some flexibility on the cap maximum. It may go a little higher.
Oates2Neely
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Bo Horvat stats since joining the Islanders:
24GP 6G 5A 11P -5 TOI: 21:02
24GP 6G 5A 11P -5 TOI: 21:02
Glad the Bruins front office did not listen to their fan base and you know who you are that screamed for this guy and I want to say too the Islanders brains good luck with that contract...........Oh before I forget , nice post Oates....
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Barzal going down didn't help and I think they only ended up playing like 6 games together. Since that happened Horvat as been playing with Lee whose a decent 50pt guy and Simon Holmstrom whose a rookie with 46 games under his belt. Horvat's metrics are actually better with the Islanders and it seems he's been a bit unlucky.
But they should be on different lines anyway. And if anything Barzal being out should have made him undoubtedly the #1 center there.
ON3M4N
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But they're weren't, they were playing together on a line. Barzal wasn't playing center because he's beyond horrendous in the face-off circle and not great defensively either. In the 7 games after Horvat was acquired (7th being when he got injured early vs Boston) he (Barzal) took a total of 2 draws. The 7 games prior Barzal took 36 draws for the Islanders. Part of why they brought Horvat is was so they could move Barzal to wing and have a competent face-off man that's also not a defensive problem.
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The sad part is that theses stats are better than Taylor Hall's in his last 24 gp
PlayMakers
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If you move Gryz who plays top pair? You're not going to find anyone more capable for under $3.6m. You already let Orlov walk and traded away Forbort, your left side can't be Lindholm and two rookies if you want to make the playoffs. And with what they're paying Pasta, Marchand, Hall, Zahca, DeBrusk, McAvoy, Lindholm, Ullmark... they obviously expect to make the playoffs.
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Almost like Hall was hurt or something like that
It’s clear which aspect of their game the Bruins need to fix: the power play - The Boston Globe
They have shown that they can win when the power play malfunctions, but it would be nice to get it working for the playoffs.
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The Bruins snapped the puck around their power-play formation at Wednesday’s practice at TD Garden. All five skaters quickly directed it to each other. It looked easy.
That was because there were no penalty-killers in front of them. They were going against air.
Then a coach shot another puck down the ice, as a gang of four PKers hopped the boards. When the power play made the retrieval and re-entered the zone, they faced playoff-like pressure.
The Bruins are trying to fix the No. 1 issue that ails them: a power play that has fallen from top-three in the league to middle-of-the-pack.
They ranked 15th in power-play success as of Wednesday, converting on 21.6 percent of their opportunities. They have scored a PPG in 19 of their last 42 games, and never more than one.
Contrast that with their first 32 games, up until Dec. 23 in New Jersey. They scored a power-play goal in 25 of their first 32, including multiple PPGs in 10 of those games.
Defenseman Brandon Carlo, an excellent penalty killer, sees a lot of teams using a 1-3 formation against Boston, rather than a traditional box or diamond. That means the Bruins’ best shooters — David Pastrnak and Brad Marchand, who set up on the flanks — are being covered tightly, as is Patrice Bergeron in the slot.
“If we can get pucks behind them a little bit more and get battles, and create more zone time, that would be helpful,” Carlo said. “A little more grit in those areas to get pucks back and then set up opportunities.”
Quick and sustained puck movement to tire out penalty killers is part of the prescription. But not the way the Bruins have done it.
“Usually once you get that good strike, because you’ve moved it around, they’re out of position and the puck recoveries become easier,” coach Jim Montgomery said. “Right now it seems we move it, move it, shot — and they win the puck recovery because we haven’t moved them out of position. So it’s a balance.”
Montgomery sees encouraging signs of players shooting to score rather than just looking to pass. The next step, one he hopes to see beginning Thursday against Columbus, is rapid-fire shooting
Yep- many don't seem to get the value of a player that is a 25-30 pt guy, + frigging 45!!, transition game monster, solid defender and maybe most importantly, a perfect partner for McAvoy for 3.6m. But aye, I know, he is small.
Bruins can roll a left side of Lindholm, Grz, and perhaps a rookie (Lohrei if he comes) or Zboril which is acceptable. There is likely going to be a hole on the right too- where do you put Clifton's raise in the cap scheme? If you move Grizz, Orlov walks, Clifton signs somewhere to get paid, and Forbort is traded, you have three rookies/tweeners in your 6D?
MarchysNoseKnows
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We can dream- they better win it, because this is as all in and to hell with next year as Sweeney has ever been. There is enough core left to be a PO team next year, but you can't gut the defense as bad as was suggested, even in a retool.
That is true but we only have hall at 6 mil for two more years ,the Islanders on the hook for 8.5 mil for 8 more years ...............GOOD LUCK ON THE ISLAND.......
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Fluto had a similar article in the Athletic Today. Nothing substantively different than above but he did make a good point I hadn't really thought of. He argues that -- although the Bruins are still winning and scoring 5 vs. 5 -- an anemic PP almost encourages teams to take more liberties. Either by hooking and interfering more or even hitting high and hard in the playoffs. If B's aren't a threat to make them pay on the scoreboard why not push the envelope?It’s clear which aspect of their game the Bruins need to fix: the power play - The Boston Globe
They have shown that they can win when the power play malfunctions, but it would be nice to get it working for the playoffs.
The Bruins snapped the puck around their power-play formation at Wednesday’s practice at TD Garden. All five skaters quickly directed it to each other. It looked easy.
That was because there were no penalty-killers in front of them. They were going against air.
Then a coach shot another puck down the ice, as a gang of four PKers hopped the boards. When the power play made the retrieval and re-entered the zone, they faced playoff-like pressure.
The Bruins are trying to fix the No. 1 issue that ails them: a power play that has fallen from top-three in the league to middle-of-the-pack.
They ranked 15th in power-play success as of Wednesday, converting on 21.6 percent of their opportunities. They have scored a PPG in 19 of their last 42 games, and never more than one.
Contrast that with their first 32 games, up until Dec. 23 in New Jersey. They scored a power-play goal in 25 of their first 32, including multiple PPGs in 10 of those games.
Defenseman Brandon Carlo, an excellent penalty killer, sees a lot of teams using a 1-3 formation against Boston, rather than a traditional box or diamond. That means the Bruins’ best shooters — David Pastrnak and Brad Marchand, who set up on the flanks — are being covered tightly, as is Patrice Bergeron in the slot.
“If we can get pucks behind them a little bit more and get battles, and create more zone time, that would be helpful,” Carlo said. “A little more grit in those areas to get pucks back and then set up opportunities.”
Quick and sustained puck movement to tire out penalty killers is part of the prescription. But not the way the Bruins have done it.
“Usually once you get that good strike, because you’ve moved it around, they’re out of position and the puck recoveries become easier,” coach Jim Montgomery said. “Right now it seems we move it, move it, shot — and they win the puck recovery because we haven’t moved them out of position. So it’s a balance.”
Montgomery sees encouraging signs of players shooting to score rather than just looking to pass. The next step, one he hopes to see beginning Thursday against Columbus, is rapid-fire shooting
I thought it was a good point.
Bruins deviate from goalie rotation and give Linus Ullmark second straight start - The Boston Globe
The idea is to start getting Ullmark acclimated to a heavier workload in the playoffs.
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With just eight games separating the Bruins from the postseason, Jim Montgomery overhauled a reliable segment of his lineup Thursday.
No, the Bruins bench boss didn’t yank David Pastrnak or another O-zone stalwart off the ailing power-play unit.
Nor was a veteran with plenty of mileage on the treads such as Patrice Bergeron given the night off against a Blue Jackets team with a minus-93 goal differential.
Rather, Montgomery opted to finally slow down his effective goaltending carousel. For the first time in close to two months, Linus Ullmark got the call for consecutive starts.
The alteration lies in the need to get Ullmark reacclimated to the workload that awaits when the calendar flips to the postseason.
“We figured this little run here we can get him three games in six days, that’s going to replicate a little bit of the playoffs,” Montgomery said following an optional skate at TD Garden. “It’s also going to allow [Jeremy] Swayman to get some games on the back end of that.”
That near-even distribution of reps has been mutually beneficial for all parties — especially for a Bruins team that has gone 18-5-0 over that stretch.
But there can be only one option when Montgomery has to construct a lineup for Game 1 in mid-April.
And even though he has not ruled out deploying a rotation in the postseason, Montgomery hasn’t steered away from his initial idea of Ullmark — the Vezina Trophy front-runner — getting the net for the postseason opener.
Montgomery has the authority to reshuffle his lineup, but when it comes to the net, he is happy to defer to whatever Essensa charts out.
“He makes my life a lot easier,” said Montgomery. “From day one, I told him, ‘Just tell me who you think should start.’ I’ve never over-trumped him all year. I just asked him why, so that I can learn from him. And he’s been spot-on.
“It was his plan in the first place and he deviates from his plan because he just has such a great relationship with them and he understands from a goalie’s perspective, like, what allows them to have success.”
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