i dont get why Steve Smith is being praised here. he insults Jeudy first and Jeudy doesn't want to talk to him, which is a normal reaction to that situation. So then Smith says that he'll tell teams to not trade for him when they call. Yeah im sure all of the executives in the NFL are just jumping at the phone to call Steve Smith to ask for his blessings on a trade. Steve Smith has always been one of the biggest jackasses around
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Keep repeating this enough and maybe even you will actually start to believe it.
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The Patriots have betrayed the principles that once made them great - The Boston Globe
This team is the Patriots in name only. They are broken. The old maxims and caveats about Bill Belichick’s champions no longer apply.
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The Patriots have betrayed the principles that once made them great - The Boston Globe
This team is the Patriots in name only. They are broken. The old maxims and caveats about Bill Belichick’s champions no longer apply.
Former Dallas Cowboys great, rodeo cowboy Walt Garrison dead at 79
Walt Garrison, who won a Super Bowl with the Dallas Cowboys and in the NFL offseason competed as a rodeo cowboy, has died. He was 79.
the do your job mentality has definitely been replaced by whats the next excuse and point fingers model. No leaders and accountability especially at the QB position
Is he being praised? I didn't look that far into it. I just thought it was fascinating because you don't see stuff like that from an on field analyst. It was like they were ready to fight each other. Maybe the NFL Network reassigns him.
I'm not the only one to say this. You've got NFL analysts, former players, beat writers, all saying the same thing.
Do you believe them? Or no?
Just as many analysts, former players and beat writers, far far more actually, are saying the exact opposite. So do you not believe THEM?
TO BE CRYSTAL CLEAR, I'm not saying mac is the only problem. I'm just saying there are many QBs in the league today that would be putting up better numbers than mac with the same oline and weapons he has. There's a reason he's among the bottom feeders of the league in EVERY ranking of starting QBs right now.
If you genuinely think Mahomes could put up numbers with this offensive line that collapses immediately and receivers who rank last at separation, then by all means believe it.
Mahomes has a decent line right now and still gets hammered. He'd get annihilated here.
Again, the Broncos oline is arguably worse (at least comparable in every ranking I've seen), their WRs get zero separation (anyone who watched last night's game saw them point it out MULTIPLE times), and their TEs are FAR worse, yet Wilson has overall done much better than mac, last night's game notwithstanding.
Would mahomes look AS good? Probably not. But he elevates those around him. Mac does not.
Well sure. All pats fans would, as they've been tainted by the current group's performances last month. That's the circular argument issue. Is it really them or is it mac. Pre-mac, it's not even close. The pats duo is better. Today? Not so much. But again, it's close. As is oline. TE is not close. Pats are better at TE, no question.
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teams are stacking the box vs NE right now bc they dont fear or respect Macs arm. Its an easy call for any d coordinator
No teams fear the Pats. We dont have 1 offensive player who strikes fear. Mondre was the closest but he's taken a MAJOR step back this year. No explosiveness. No elusiveness. It's shocking.
Nobody fears the Pats on defense either.
A poorly constructed roster by Bill.
How can any QB show his arm strength or lack thereof if his receivers can't get open for a long pass???? Or when he's running for his life because his o-line got swarmed over by the defense yet again??
Mac Jones is not the main problem with this team. He may be one of them but to read everyone here all the Pats have to do is get rid of him and everything will be roses & champagne again. It's ridiculous.
The problem starts at the top. Kraft can't/won't fire Belicik although he may have no choice if the Pats go 1-16, which is not out of the question. Belicik is getting a lot of heat here & rightly so but the real culprit is Kraft and his failure to clean house after last season.
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Certain someone's.
They didn't have much to say his rookie year. Just last year and now. He could save a kitten in a tree or in a fire in a house and someone would still find a way to make it his fault they were in the trees or the house
You had your guy Zappe and he couldn't do it. He was so bad at doing it in training camp, and pre-season that they got rid of him.
If mac was that good and the rest of the team was what was holding him back, teams would be tripping over themselves offering first round picks in a trade. They aren't. They'll be lucky to get a 3rd for him.
And he really wasn't that good his rookie year either. He won a game completing two freaking passes for 19 yds.
And he really wasn't that good his rookie year either. He won a game completing two freaking passes for 19 yds.
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This is just categorically false.
Let's go through it, shall we?
After he threw his 20th touchdown pass, he offically broke Jim Plunkett's franchise rookie record from 1971. Jones finished the season with 3,801 passing yards, 22 touchdowns, and a 67.6 completion percentage, which were the highest among rookie quarterbacks in 2021.
Jones' 3,540 passing yards are the 11th most by a first-year player in NFL history. Most of the names in front of him are impressive: Luck, Justin Herbert, Cam Newton, Jameis Winston, Carson Wentz, Peyton Manning, Baker Mayfield, Kyler Murray, Prescott and Jim Kelly.
With 21 touchdown passes, Jones is tied for 11th all-time among first-year quarterbacks. His 332 completions are the seventh most in NFL history behind Herbert, Wentz, Sam Bradford, Murray, Derek Carr and Luck. His 92.5 quarterback rating is 10th best.
Jones is one of the most accurate rookie quarterbacks of all time. On Sunday, he tied Prescott’s rookie record of nine games completing at least 70% of his passes. His overall 67.6% completion percentage is the second-best all-time behind Prescott's record of 67.8%
Source #1 Mark Daniels: Patriots' Mac Jones is one of the best rookie quarterbacks of all-time
Source #2: StatMuse
Source: Patriots.com
2021
Finished 29-of-39 for 281 yards with one touchdown and no interceptions as a starter in his NFL debut vs. Miami (9/12).
Followed a 74.4 completion percentage in the opener against Miami by completing 73.3 percent of his passes (22-of-30 passes) for 186 yards at N.Y. Jets (9/19). He is the first quarterback with a 70-plus completion percentage in each of his first two games (min. 10 attempts in each game).
Helped push the pile on Damien Harris' 26-yard touchdown run in the third quarter and made a key block on a Kendrick Bourne end-around also in the third quarter.
Threw for 270 yards on 30-51 passing and a touchdown vs. New Orleans (9/26). Rushed for 28 yards on six carries as well.
Completed 19-straight passes during a stretch from the second quarter to the fourth quarter vs. Tampa Bay (10/3), tied for the longest streak in team history. Tom Brady had a streak of 19 consecutive passes in Week 1 of the 2015 season vs. Pittsburgh on Sept. 10, 2015. The streak of 19 consecutive completions is the most by a rookie in 30 years.
Finished 31-of-40 passing for the night vs. the Buccaneers for a completion percentage of 77.5, his third game with a 70-plus completion percentage. He is the first NFL quarterback to record a 70-plus completion percentage in each of his first three games.
Completed 23-of-30 passes for a 76.6 percent completion percentage at Houston (10/10).
Connected on over 70 percent of his passes in four of his first five NFL games.
Tied Joe Burrow (135 completions in 2020) for the most completions by a rookie quarterback in his first five starts in NFL history.
Finished 15-of-21 for 229 yards with two touchdowns and one interception for a 71.4 completion percentage vs. Dallas (10/17). Completed 70 percent of his passes in five of his first six games to become the first rookie quarterback to ever accomplish the feat. Through six games, Jones completed 71.1 percent of his passes. The rookie record is 67.8 by Dak Prescott in 2016.
Had his first 300-yard passing game after finishing 24-of-36 for 307 yards with two touchdowns vs. N.Y. Jets (10/24).
Completed 18 passes at L.A. Chargers (10/31) and now has 192 completions through his first eight games, the third-most by any rookie through his first eight games.
Threw for 218 yards on the day, including a 44-yard strike to WR Nelson Agholor in the first quarter.
- Finished 12-of-18 for 139 yards in the win at Carolina (11/7), including a 7-yard touchdown throw to TE Hunter Henry in the second quarter. With the victory, Jones improved to a 4-0 road record to start his career. He is the first rookie quarterback to win his first four road games since Dak Prescott in 2016. The most consecutive road wins to start a season by a rookie QB is six by Roethlisberger (2004) and Prescott.
- Had his first career three-touchdown performance vs. Cleveland (11/14), which also marked his fourth game in 2021 with at least two touchdowns. Jones is the first New England rookie quarterback to throw at least three touchdowns in game since Drew Bledsoe had four touchdown passes in Week 18 of the 1993 season vs. Miami on Jan. 2, 1994. Jones is the first rookie in franchise history with at least three touchdown passes and no interceptions in a single game. The record for most games with at least two touchdown passes by a rookie quarterback is Justin Herbert of the Los Angeles Chargers with 10 games in 2020.
- Completed 19-of-23 passes 198 yards for an 82.6 completion percentage vs. Cleveland (11/14). He has finished with a 70-plus completion percentage in six of his 10 games in 2021. The rookie record is nine games with a 70+ percent completion percentage by Dak Prescott in 2016. The NFL record is 13 games by Drew Brees in 2017.
- Completed 22-of-26 passes for an .846 pass completion percentage at Atlanta (11/18), which is tied for the fourth-best in team history. Jones was 19-of-23 for an .826 completion percentage vs. Cleveland on Nov. 14, the sixth-highest in team history. He has completed 70 percent of his passes in seven of his 11 games. The rookie record is nine games with a 70+ percent completion percentage by Dak Prescott in 2016. Jones is the first Patriots player with back-to-back games completing 80 percent of his passes (min. 20 attempts).
- Finished 23-of-32 for 310 yards with two touchdowns for a 71.9 completion percentage vs. Tennessee (11/28). He has completed at least 70 percent of his passes in eight of his 12 games. The rookie record is nine games with a 70+ percent completion percentage by Dak Prescott in 2016. The NFL record is 13 games by Drew Brees in 2017.
- Threw for two touchdowns to WR Kendrick Bourne vs. Tennessee (11/28). It is his fifth multi-touchdown game of the season. The record for most games with at least two touchdown passes by a rookie quarterback is Justin Herbert of the Los Angeles Chargers with 10 games in 2020.
- Had his second 300-yard game of the season after finishing with 310 yards vs. Tennessee (11/28), his highest of the season. He had 307 yards passing vs. the New York Jets on Oct. 24.
- Named Offensive Rookie of the Month for November by the National Football League. Jones is the first Patriots rookie to receive a rookie of the month honor since DL Chandler Jones in September of the 2012 season. Jones led the Patriots to a perfect record in November, completing 76-of-99 passes for 854 yards and seven touchdown passes. He completed 76.8 percent of his passes and had a quarterback rating of 117.2.
- Secured his seventh straight victory with a Monday Night Football win over Buffalo (12/6). He is the fourth rookie quarterback in the Super Bowl era to lead his team to win at least seven consecutive games. Jones has now won his first six road games, joining Dak Prescott (6 in 2016) and Ben Roethlisberger (6 in 2004) as the only rookie quarterbacks to win each of their first six road games in league annals.
- Threw for 299 yards, two touchdowns, and had a 12-yard rush, while scoring 17 unanswered points to close the gap to 20-17 after a 20- first half deficit in a 27-17 loss at Indianapolis (12/18).
- Became one of 13 rookie quarterback to reach 300 completions in a season after completing 14 passes vs. Buffalo (12/26) to push his season total to 310 pass completions
- Threw for three touchdowns vs. Jacksonville (1/2) to give him 21 touchdowns for the season, a team record for most by a Patriots rookie quarterback in team history. Jim Plunkett had 19 touchdown passes during his rookie season in 1971. He became the 15th rookie quarterback to reach 3,000 passing yards and 20 touchdown passes, the 12th rookie quarterback to lead his team to a winning record, and the 8th to lead his team to 10 or more wins during his rookie season. He also completed at least 70 percent of his passes for the ninth time to join Dak Prescott (2016 with Dallas) for the most games by a rookie quarterback with a 70 percent completion percentage. Jones completed 22- of-30 passes for 73.3 pass completion percentage.
- Threw for a touchdown at Miami (1/9), finishing his rookie campaign with 22 touchdown passes, which ranks tied for eighth-most among rookie quarterbacks, 3,801 passing yards, which ranks fifth, and a 67.6% completion percentage, second only to Dak Prescott for the highest completion percentage in a season for a rookie signal caller.
- Became the first rookie quarterback in New England history to make a start in the postseason in the Wild Card Round loss at Buffalo,(1/15), adding a 16-yard run in the first quarter, the longest run of his career. His previous best was a 13-yard run vs. the New York Jets on Oct. 24.
But I'll post more if you want or don't believe the actual stats proving you wrong.
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well Zappe didnt have the 2 worst losses franchise history on his resume this year. Thats Mac and hes trending to be fired by week 6
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Can't compare against any other era. Too pass happy now. Different game. Completing 20 dump offs a game does nothing for me.
Namath and Bradshaw numbers look worse than zac wilson.
There was an analysis done of that season. The literal only quality win was vs the bills and he did nothing. They feasted on scrubs and teams missing top players that season.
You said he wasnt good his rookie season, I provided proof that you were wrong, instead of reading it and admitting you were wrong, you say it's too long you won't read, and then proceed to sat you can't compare anything.
That's embarrassing my friend. If you posted stats showing how bad Mac I'd this year, I'd read it.
I said no such thing. I said he wasn't THAT good. Good yes. B grade for me because he was a rookie. Good.
I think most would agree with that.
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Zappe got fired before the season started. So what? We get it you think Mac sucks. Most of us do. I really don’t know what your redundancy in this.
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